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The eighth sphere is above the wandering stars or... ?
I think, by its placement below the Moon, that the card "The Star" - and the sequence Star-Moon-Sun (-World, I would add, that is the A order), clearly indicates that the meaning is NOT a schematic cosmological diagram. It is obvious, and has always been common knowledge, whatever system of astronomy has been used, anywhere in the world, that the stars are further out than the furthest known planet ("wanderer"), Saturn. They were also assumed to be immutable.mmfilesi wrote:Hi friends!
...... Its not more logic the sequence is: [Magician] - Moon - Sun - Star - [World]?????
The eighth sphere is above the wandering stars or... ?
ASTRAIOS (or Astraeus) was the Titan god of the stars and planets, and the art of astrology. By Eos (the Dawn) he was the father of the seasonal Winds and the Stars. The arrival of these Winds was heralded by the rising of certain constellations. Astraios also had a daughter named Astraia, the goddess of the constellation Virgo.
... we have, that Martianus da Tortona, translated by Ross, in the description of the god Jupiter ...Even if a cosmological hierarchy is not intended, another possible interpretation is one of increasing brightness. This is noted by Huck above, and has been noted before by Michael Hurst. The earliest person to use this interpretation was Francesco Piscina (who also seems to have wanted a cosmological scheme). See pages 22-25 of Explaining the Tarot. The anonymous author, in contrast to Piscina, just groups all of these celestial things together as "creatures of God" (p. 63).
According the description we've to expect in the picture organization something like this, a figure with 4 elements in the four corners ...JOVE
Jove, who was the King of Athens while antiquity was still rough and wild. For the race of man, there was yet no justice, and man followed savage rites; Jupiter established the first laws. And he instituted matrimony, and banished the abominable feasts on human flesh, and forbade them by strict rigour. He induced the first society and friendship, and taught to men what is most necessary.
He commanded the first temples and altars to the immortal gods to be built, and to venerate them with the highest dignity. And the men asked the gods anything of the good that they desired. And if he deemed it worthy he would himself fulfil what they had prayed for. The inventor of wars, he overcame the Giants, mockers of the gods, and afflicted them with onerous punishment. Therefore on account of his outstanding virtue, the former age venerated him, and he was esteemed by the people as a god. And he was called Good Jove, and temples were dedicated to him, to the perpetual memory of his glory. Thus holding the divine honour, his name was received by posterity in the highest veneration. He is seated on a starry throne, with regal emblems. Four stars appearing above, attend him, while by the right part a splendour of right reason [first light] of the conduct of humanity, in which customs he instructed ingnorant men, the first leaders of the state. At the left that light by which he published the inviolable laws [second light] and he decreed the society which would be cherished by humankind, being guarded by equality. On the lower right side appears a burning star like Mars, [third light] which he lets loose frightfully if scorned, but especially so that the republic may be preserved. How the illustrious example of Jupiter shines for men! Who for the sake of sacred worship happily defeated the blaspheming Giants by war. To the left, a thunderbolt, [fourth light] which at one time he often used to protect his sacred laws against so many lustful and violent men.


Yes, yes. I think you have reason.In other words, The Star cannot be "the fixed stars", IF the intention were to present a celestial hierarchy going higher and higher up (like that shown, for instance, in the E Series)
Yes. This is very probably at least for PMB, Minchiate of century XVIII, Rothschild sheet, tarocchino al Leone.(like the Star of Bethlehem)
I dont know it. This is very interesting. Thanks, friend.As Venus (Eos/Dawn - Hesperus/Evening) it also is not in the correct hierarchical order, if that were the intention. However, as the "Morning Star", it is symbolically connected to the Advent Star and Christ through Revelation 22:16 (stella splendida et matutina), an equation known to everyone.
...The earliest person to use this interpretation was Francesco Piscina (who also seems to have wanted a cosmological scheme).
OK. I understand. Thanks!For the most part, I take the Star to represent an advent star, and the announced advent to be the figure on the World card. Both cosmology and increasing brightness are appropriate strategies to set up the climax - the appearance of the most glorious brightness, outshining even the Sun - the World-figure.
.. as it also already appears in the Jupiter square (4x4), in contrast to the Saturn square (3x3), which depends on the use of the Chaldean row ...
Saturn 3x3
Jupiter 4x4
Mars 5x5
Sun 6x6
Venus 7x7
Mercury 8x8
Moon 9x9