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Re: Boiardo Tarocchi poem (trionfi)

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mikeh wrote: 05 Jul 2025, 01:16 SteveM wrote,
It's clear how a virtue may trump a vice among some of the pairings, like Toil over Laziness, but how does a player know where the pairs rank in the hierarchal ladder of Trumps? Is there some code we are missing? Such as find for the numeration of the pips., or were the Trump cards meant to be numbered?
I don't see why there has to be a code. Either the order, as given by the sequence of tercets, has to be memorized, or else the cards have to be numbered. I see no problem either way. The Sola-Busca was numbered, after all, and when the regular sequence did not have numbers on the cards, the order had to be memorized.
Oops my bad - I need to pay more attention - I missed that Viti says the trump cards are numbered - beginning with that of the second stanza (but first among the trumps) as number 1 - so that clears that up!

"El numero de quali Trionfi, da l'Ozio incomenzando, che per l'uno è posto, se ritrova scripto in uno canto del breve, che sopra el capo loro è depinto.

El secondo Trionfo, che per il binario numero è signato, ..."

Re: Boiardo Tarocchi poem (trionfi)

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Trump 8 - Patientia (Patience)

Italian text
Patientia hebbe Psiche ai casi soi,
E perho fu soccorsa nelli affanni,
E fatta Dea nel fin, che è exemplo a noi.

English translation
Psyche was patient in what happened to her,
And because of that she found help in her troubles,
And in the end she was made a Goddess, so that she can be an example for us.

Notes to Content Centered Person: Psyche from Amor and Psyche Ovid's Metamorphoses (5.28)
There are a lot of theories about the origin of Eros. One of them claims, that Eros was the oldest of the gods, cause without Eros (Sex) nobody could exist. Only Eileithyiai (normally a daughter of Zeus and Hera), the godess of birth, was there. Cause without her .... well, that's an idea of matriarchy.

https://www.theoi.com/Ouranios/Eros.html
... Eros ...

PARENTS
[1.1] APHRODITE (Ibycus Frag 284, Anacreontea Frag 44, Apollonius Rhodius 3.82, Pausanias 9.27.1, Plato Phaedrus, Philostratus Younger 8, Oppian Halieutica 4.10, Hyginus Astronomica 2.30, Ovid Metamorphoses 1.452 & 5.363, Seneca Phaedra 274, Statius Silvae 1.2.51, Apuleius 11.218, Nonnus Dionysiaca 4.238 & 33.4)
[1.2] ARES & APHRODITE (Ibycus Frag 575, Nonnus Dionysiaca 5.88)
[1.3] OURANOS & APHRODITE (she was born pregnant with Eros from the genitals of Ouranos) (possibly Hesiod Theogony 176, Sappho Frag 198, Nonnus Dionysiaca 33.4 & 41.128)
[2.1] OURANOS & GAIA (Sappho Frag 198)
[3.1] ZEPHRYOS & IRIS (Alcaeus Frag 327)
[4.1] EILEITHYIA (Pausanias 9.27.1)
[5.1] POROS & PENIA (Plato Symposium 178)
Pausanias .... https://www.theoi.com/Text/Pausanias9B.html
[9.27.1] XXVII. Of the gods the Thespians have from the beginning honored Love most, and they have a very ancient image of him, an unwrought stone. Who established among the Thespians the custom of worshipping Love more than any other god I do not know. He is worshipped equally by the people of Parium on the Hellespont, who were originally colonists from Erythrae in Ionia, but to-day are subject to the Romans.
[9.27.2] Most men consider Love to be the youngest of the gods and the son of Aphrodite. But Olen the Lycian, who composed the oldest Greek hymns, says in a hymn to Eileithyia that she was the mother of Love. Later than Olen, both Pamphos and Orpheus wrote hexameter verse, and composed poems on Love, in order that they might be among those sung by the Lycomidae to accompany the ritual. I read them after conversation with a Torchbearer. Of these things I will make no further mention. Hesiod,27 or he who wrote the Theogony fathered on Hesiod, writes, I know, that Chaos was born first, and after Chaos, Earth, Tartarus and Love.
"Of these things I will make no further mention." Okay, that's a good sentence. "Love" one has to translate with Eros or Amor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cupid_and_Psyche
Cupid and Psyche is a story originally from Metamorphoses (also called The Golden Ass), written in the 2nd century AD by Lucius Apuleius Madaurensis (or Platonicus).[2] The tale concerns the overcoming of obstacles to the love between Psyche (/ˈsaɪkiː/; Ancient Greek: Ψυχή, lit. 'Soul' or 'Breath of Life', Ancient Greek pronunciation: [psyːkʰɛ̌ː]) and Cupid (Latin: Cupido, lit. 'Desire', Latin pronunciation: [kʊˈpiːd̪oː]) or Amor (lit. 'Love', Greek Eros, Ἔρως), and their ultimate union in a sacred marriage. Although the only extended narrative from antiquity is that of Apuleius from the 2nd century AD, Eros and Psyche appear in Greek art as early as the 4th century BC. The story's Neoplatonic elements and allusions to mystery religions accommodate multiple interpretations,[3] and it has been analyzed as an allegory and in light of folktale, Märchen or fairy tale, and myth.

The story of Cupid and Psyche was known to Boccaccio in c. 1370. The first printed version dates to 1469. Ever since, the reception of Cupid and Psyche in the classical tradition has been extensive. The story has been retold in poetry, drama, and opera, and depicted widely in painting, sculpture, and even wallpaper.[5] Though Psyche is usually referred to in Roman mythology by her Greek name, her Roman name through direct translation is Anima.
The Wikipedia text gives then a very long article, which starts with "The tale of Cupid and Psyche (or "Eros and Psyche") is placed at the midpoint of Apuleius's novel, and occupies about a fifth of its total length." The 5th part of the total length of The Golden Ass.
I leave this article aside, of these things I will make no further mention. Good sentence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golden_Ass
Here the article to Cupid and Psyche is described much shorter, it appears in the book 4-6.
Book Four
On a break in his journey with the bandits, Lucius the ass trots over to a garden to munch on what seem to be roses (but are actually poisonous rose-laurels) when he is beaten by the gardener and chased by dogs. The thieves reclaim him and he is forced to go along with them; they talk about how their leader Thrasileon has been killed while dressed as a bear. The thieves also kidnap a rich young woman, Charite, who is housed in a cave with Lucius the ass. Charite starts crying, so an elderly woman who is in league with the thieves begins to tell her the story of Cupid and Psyche.

Psyche is the most beautiful woman on earth, and Venus jealously arranges for Psyche's destruction, ordering her son Cupid to arrange for her to fall in love with a worthless wretch. An oracle tells Psyche's parents to expose her on a mountain peak, where she will become the bride of a powerful, monstrous being. Psyche is left on the mountain, and carried away by a gentle wind.

Book Five
The elderly woman continues telling the story of Cupid and Psyche. Cupid, Venus's son, secretly protects Psyche; Cupid becomes Psyche's mysterious husband, who is invisible to her by day and visits her only at night. Psyche's jealous sisters arouse her curiosity and fear about her husband's identity; Psyche, against Cupid's commands, looks at him by lamplight which wakes Cupid; Cupid abandons Psyche, who wanders in search of him, and takes revenge on her wicked sisters.

Book Six
The elderly woman finishes telling the story of Cupid and Psyche, as Psyche is forced to perform various tasks for Venus (including an errand to the underworld) with the help of Cupid and an assortment of friendly creatures, and is finally reunited with her husband. Then Jupiter transforms Psyche into a goddess. That is the end of the tale. Lucius the ass and Charite escape from the cave but they are caught by the thieves, and sentenced to death.[/quote]
I will make no further mention. Boiardo is much shorter.
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Re: Boiardo Tarocchi poem (trionfi)

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Good self-correction, Steve, in your post before Huck's last one.

I asked Andrea Vitali for his opinion on the tercet
Fede hebbe Sophonisba non suspetta
A Massinissa, che 'l venen promisse
Se a seguire el triompho era constretta.
He said that while my translation was not wrong (vs. Marco's), there is a certain ambiguity generated by the word "suspetta": "beyond suspicion by the Romans" vs. "beyond any doubt she, Sophonisba, might have had in Massinissa". So primarily:

Faith had Sophonisba, beyond any doubt [she might have had],
In Massinissa, who promised the poison
If she were forced to follow the triumph.

but also, secondarily, because the Romans suspected Sophonisba of wanting to cause trouble for them:

Faith had Sophonisba, beyond any suspicion [the Romans might have had of her],
In Massinissa, who promised the poison
If she were forced to follow the triumph.

And now that I write this, I see that in the second version, the Romans' suspicion might not only be toward Sophonisba, for scheming to cause trouble for Rome later, but also toward Massinissa, for marrying her so she can attain her ends. So the part in brackets could even be "[the Romans might have had of her or Massinissa]". The precise meaning remains elusive.

Re: Boiardo Tarocchi poem (trionfi)

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The link you posted to trionfi.com includes the verses about danger. I still haven't figured out where the verses from the Danger letter were missing. My notes also lacked that letter, but I don't know where I got the incomplete text. The websites I've visited in recent weeks are complete and have the verses about Danger.

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By the way, Viti's idea seems quite accurate. The theory that Boiardo wrote the first word of each triplet inspired by the theme of the corresponding trump card seems plausible. Perhaps he wanted to invent a different deck, or perhaps the 22-allegory Tarot deck didn't yet exist when Boiardo wrote that poem.

Re: Boiardo Tarocchi poem (trionfi)

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Huck wrote: 08 Jul 2025, 10:06
Trump 8 - Patientia (Patience)

Italian text
Patientia hebbe Psiche ai casi soi,
E perho fu soccorsa nelli affanni,
E fatta Dea nel fin, che è exemplo a noi.

English translation
Psyche was patient in what happened to her,
And because of that she found help in her troubles,
And in the end she was made a Goddess, so that she can be an example for us.

Notes to Content Centered Person: Psyche from Amor and Psyche Ovid's Metamorphoses (5.28)
After Rainier’s article on Boiardo’s card game, there is another article by Carlo Tincani about Boiardo’s translations, incluing that of The Golden Ass by Apuleius, which Boiardo made in the 1470s at the request of Ercole d'Este, and based upon Giovanni Andrea Bussi’s 1469 edition.*

In brief Tincani says that Boiardo didn’t try to make a faithful translation. Instead, he retold the story in his own way, cutting and changing parts. He especially changed the ending. In Apuleius’s book, the main character Lucius becomes human again thanks to the goddess Isis. Boiardo removes this religious ending and replaces it with another ending from a version by Lucian, where there is no divine help or moral lesson.

Tincani explains that, unlike Agnolo Firenzuola, who also retold The Golden Ass but kept its spiritual meaning, Boiardo’s version is just a comic story. Lucius doesn’t learn or grow; he just goes back to his old ways.

This change, says Tincani, makes the story weaker. It leaves questions (like why Lucius isn’t scared to eat the rose again) and removes the deeper meaning of the transformation. Apuleius had made the story about personal change and religion. Boiardo's version undoes that.

Tincani lists the early printed editions:

"The first was completed:

in the noble city of Venice, on the 10th of September, 1508, by Nicolò d'Aristotele da Ferrara and Vincenzo de Polo da Venice, my companion, under the reign of the illustrious Prince Loredano.

"It is a small but very error-ridden volume of 198 pages (including the title page), dedicated by the printer, better known by the nickname Zoppino, to Don Alfonso d’Este, Duke of Ferrara. It is illustrated with thirty-one figures that accompany the text, and at the end features an image of Saint Nicholas."

A second edition was printed in 1534 by the same printer (Zoppino), titled Apulegio volgare diviso in undici libri, with added passages and more illustrations (64 woodcuts).

Another edition appeared in 1544, which was used as a basis for Daelli’s 1863 edition of Firenzuola's version.
Tincani says both early printings are full of errors, even worse than Boiardo’s other bad translations, like Herodotus.

Tincani questions Camerini’s praise of Boiardo’s translation for its fidelity and charm, arguing that when compared to Apuleius, those qualities quickly fade. The translation contains many dialectal words, which might seem like printing errors but are actually part of Boiardo's original style.

He gives an example from the start of the book. The narrator talks about being from Athens and learning Latin, but Boiardo misunderstands the Latin phrases and leaves out important details. Key expressions and metaphors are dropped, perhaps because Boiardo didn’t understand them, or because he found them impolite or overly detailed (such as anatomical or bodily references regarding the donkey’s exhaustion).

Despite this, some later passages retain a certain grace or liveliness, even if they lack fidelity and clarity.

His version of Psyche's tale (Books IV–VI), is also abbreviated, seemingly "just to get through it faster." Tincani finds this unfortunate because Apuleius’s lingering, ornamental style perfectly suits the story’s fairy-tale tone and the beauty of Psyche. While Boiardo has his own gentle charm in places, sometimes better than more polished later translations, he voluntarily omits many of the most beautiful and meaningful elements. Tincani acknowledging Boiardo’s unique voice, but regrets his many omissions.

*As well as depending heavily on Giovanni Andrea Bussi’s 1469 edition, Boiardo also drew upon Boccaccio.

What Tincani is possibly failing to take into account is that Boiardo knew his audience, and what omissions & changes he made was perhaps at least as much down to his ability to cater to their tastes, than to his linguistic short-comings. His translation was very popular at the Ferrara court, in a letter to Federico Gonzaga in 1481, Ercole d'Este wrote that he consulted it every day, and thus would only be able to send him a copy, and not the original. His translation was the source and inspiration for his cousin Niccolo' da Corregio's poem Fabula Psiches et Cupidinis, dedicated to Isabella Gonzaga.
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Re: Boiardo Tarocchi poem (trionfi)

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SteveM wrote: 08 Jul 2025, 20:20
After Rainier’s article on Boiardo’s card game, there is another article by Carlo Tincani about Boiardo’s translations, incluing that of The Golden Ass by Apuleius, which Boiardo made in the 1470 at the request of Leonello d'Este.
Surely he means Borso d'Este - Leonello died in 1450 (and had no need for translations).

Re: Boiardo Tarocchi poem (trionfi)

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Ross Caldwell wrote: 08 Jul 2025, 20:23
SteveM wrote: 08 Jul 2025, 20:20
After Rainier’s article on Boiardo’s card game, there is another article by Carlo Tincani about Boiardo’s translations, incluing that of The Golden Ass by Apuleius, which Boiardo made in the 1470 at the request of Leonello d'Este.
Surely he means Borso d'Este - Leonello died in 1450 (and had no need for translations).
Oops - my error (~Tincani doesn't mention who it was for) - It was at the request of Ercole d'Este, I have changed it now, thanks

Re: Boiardo Tarocchi poem (trionfi)

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SteveM wrote: 08 Jul 2025, 20:29
Oops - my error (~Tincani doesn't mention who it was for) - It was at the request of Ercole d'Este, I have changed it now, thanks
Ah, good. Ercole... I don't know much about him. Interesting that he wanted to read the Golden Ass, and got instead a Boiardoed version. Or maybe Boiardo knew his tastes? Also, I would have thought that a Italian translation already existed.

Re: Boiardo Tarocchi poem (trionfi)

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Ross Caldwell wrote: 08 Jul 2025, 20:58
SteveM wrote: 08 Jul 2025, 20:29
Oops - my error (~Tincani doesn't mention who it was for) - It was at the request of Ercole d'Este, I have changed it now, thanks
Ah, good. Ercole... I don't know much about him. Interesting that he wanted to read the Golden Ass, and got instead a Boiardoed version. Or maybe Boiardo knew his tastes? Also, I would have thought that a Italian translation already existed.
Boiardo's was the first in Italian I think - and yes I added an addendum to the post in regards to the crtique failing to take into account for Boiardo knowing his audience and ability to cateri to their taste. Whatever its shortcomings as a translation, it was popular and influential.
"One of the decisive moments in Apuleius’ subsequent voyages throughout Western culture was at the court of the Estes in Ferrara during the quattrocento. Here, between 1469 and 1479, Matteo Maria Boiardo prepared his translation as a ‘volgarizzamento’, with the work finally being printed some forty years later in 1518.** In the final book, Boiardo includes the epilogue of Lucian’s Loukios or the Ass, the history of which has always been linked to that of Apuleius. The court of Isabella d’Este was also the place where the fable of Cupid and Psyche began to circulate as an autonomous text. There, Niccolò da Correggio* composed a long Latin poem, Fabula Psiches et Cupidinis, on the subject towards 1490, and it also became a pictorial theme. Long after Fulgentius’ allegorical reading of this story within the
story, Psyche would become the subject of a renewed interest. In nearby Mantua, Giulio Romano also devoted a whole cycle of paintings in the Palazzo del Te to the myth."

The After Live of Apulieus, ed. FLORENCE BISTAGNE, CAROLE BOIDIN, AND RAPHAËLE MOUREN, 2021, p17.
Niccolo da Correggio also wrote : Fabula di Cefalo , pastoral drama in five acts performed in Ferrara on 21 January 1487 for the wedding of the natural daughter of the Duke of Ferrara Ercole I , Lucrezia d'Este , with the lord of Bologna Annibale Bentivoglio.

*Printed in 1518 - Tincani says 1508 [MDVIII]

Re: Boiardo Tarocchi poem (trionfi)

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Trump 9 - Error

Italian text
Error Iacob fe' sette e sette anni
Servir, ché di Rachel Laban non disse;
Ma il tempo restauro tutti i soi danni.

English translation
An error make Jabob a slave for seven years,
Because he did not speak of Rachel to Laban;
But time repaired all his damage.

External Links to Content Problems
Genesis 29
29:18 And Jacob loved Rachel; and said, I will serve thee seven years for Rachel thy younger daughter. 29:19 And Laban said, It is better that I give her to thee, than that I should give her to another man: abide with me. 29:20 And Jacob served seven years for Rachel; and they seemed unto him but a few days, for the love he had to her. 29:21 And Jacob said unto Laban, Give me my wife, for my days are fulfilled, that I may go in unto her. 29:22 And Laban gathered together all the men of the place, and made a feast.
https://www.die-bibel.de/en/bible/ESV/GEN.29
https://www.die-bibel.de/en/bible/ESV/GEN.30

The result of a communication problem between men ....
1. Reuben - Leah
2. Simeon - Leah
3. Levi - Leah
4. Judah - Leah
5. Dan - Bilhah (Rachel's handmaiden)
6. Naphtali - Bilhah
7. Gad - Zilpah (Leah's handmaiden)
8. Asher - Zilpah
9. Issachar - Leah
10. Zebulun - Leah
11. Joseph - Rachel
12. Benjamin - Rachel
... and some female attempts to save the situation