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Re: Bolognese sequence

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Thanks for all that about JMD, Robert. I've been on the Forum since 2008 and didn't know any of it. And yes, please stay at least until things are fixed. At the moment, I have to log in again every time I change pages or try an action like replying. But at least I can do these things, for which I am grateful.

Magic Moon wrote,
I have a difficulty with the Chastity trump. I think the Devil's position in the sequence is a good place for Chastity. I've thought that perhaps the High Priestess (in the Tarot) or Faith (in the Modrone) was Chastity and that she swapped places with the Devil, assuming she was initially placed next to the Pope, both coming from the Karnöffel deck. I conceived this theory a couple of years ago. However, I have no evidence for anything like that. And Chastity could be another card, perhaps the Chariot or one of the three usual virtues. Furthermore, the earliest evidence for a Devil in the Tarot doesn't seem to date before around 1480, so I doubt that the Devil existed early on alongside the Pope. There are some difficulties in understanding the generative evolution of the Tarot sequence starting from Petrarch and other topics, but Chastity is the one that has me stuck. Ultimately, I see reasons for you to remain hopeful and not sulk.
In most editions of Petrarch (although there are a few Florentine mss. otherwise), the triumph is known as that of Pudicizia, which means a gender-related sense of shame. It would be related to chastity for women, but probably different for men, I am not sure how. The clearest example of this triumph in the tarot is the Chariot card of the Visconti di Modrone, which has a female rider carrying a jousting shield. You can see its outline in black on the card, with notches on both sides, I think for a lance. Petrarch's poem describes her as blocking Cupid's arrows with a shield. It is also fairly clear that her journey after the victory would have been by carro, since it is rather long. Other Lombard Chariot cards with modestly dressed females might also qualify for this triumph, even if there are also suggestions of Fame: it would be fame for Pudicizia. (The Spanish "pudico" captures some of the meaning.)

It seems to me that the Florentine tarot could have substituted Temperance and Fortitude for Pudicizia, at least in Petrarch's feminine sense, omitting Pudicizia itself as a redundancy. Pudicizia needs these virtues in her struggle with Cupid. Those virtues occur right where Chastity would be in the sequence, immediately after Love. Their Chariot riders are either male or of ambiguous gender - long hair is not definitive, as many males, especially young ones, in 15th-century Italy are shown with such hair. Whether worldly fame, or at least achievement, counts as masculine Pudicizia I do not know. Failure in one's chosen endeavors would certainly have been an occasion for shame.

The order of triumphs in Petrarch was fairly fixed. The only variation that I can think of is that one part, a fragment of Fame, I think, was seen in some manuscripts as another triumph. It was the occasion for another illustration.

Ross wrote,
No such order is attested, which for me does indeed blow the Petrarch-triumphs origin theory. The same artists who painted Petrarch's Trionfi also painted Triumph cards, and those who commissioned them would have known Petrarch's order, and those who designed the order would have known that Time is only defeated by Eternity, so it seems like a lot of ignorance has to be invoked to explain how Petrarch's "Time" could have fallen to below Death, if Petrarch's "Time" is what he originally represented.

The tarot is not obligated to follow Petrarch precisely. We are in a place bursting with creativity, in which every work of art can be its own thing, a creative misreading of what came before, as I think Harold Bloom taught. It is Petrarch put to a new use, in a new context.

Petrarch was writing from the standpoint of someone whose fame would outlast his death by many years. Not many people could say that. Filippo Maria Visconti could say that, which is why the Modrone probably had Fame after Death, and maybe also Time. But the Tarot in Florence - and wherever Florence had influence - was for ordinary people who looked for some minor recognition while they were still alive. It made sense for both Fame and Time to be before Death in the sequence, the Fame that can be enjoyed while one is still alive, and the Time of an individual life, not Petrarch's cosmic Time, whose main representative was the sun.

In the Modrone, I do not see why it is ruled out that Time would be between Fame (with her trumpet, above the World) and Judgment, standing for Eternity. In the first place, it cannot be assumed that Time would have been represented by an Old Man. He indeed (minus the hourglass) was a symbol of the most important aspect of Time, the deterioration it brings - but for Time itself, there was more the three heads of past present, and future, and the arc of the sun, of which its decreasing light was the part that concerned Petrarch. In the Trionfi, the sun was the most prominent image, and it was cosmic time rather than that of the indiidual life that was his theme. The earliest known Lombard sequence of Petrarch Trionfi illustrations shows Time as a young sun-god in a cart (Vatican Library Ms. Barb. Lat. 3943, f. 191r, at https://digi.vatlib.it/view/MSS_Barb.lat.3943/0336). It is true that the Sun is below the World (Fame) in the early orders (which I think in both the A and C regions had Angel high), but exchanges of cards with its next door neighbor are common in the early orders, even in the same region. The Star and the Moon are apt symbols of cosmic Time, too, although I am not convinced that those cards were in the Modrone, as it might have followed Marziano's 4x4 structure.

Moreover, even if Time was represented in the Modrone as an Old Man, nothing prevents it from being moved to before Death once Francesco Sforza, ally of Cosimo de' Medici, takes over. Yes, there is the conservatism of the players. But if players are soldiers, they move around, from A to C even, and have no respect for the rulers they overthrow. And the people obey; they had no love for the old man either. That is if they even heard of the game. Apart from Sforza's soldiers, it might have been confined to court circles anyway, people who could worry about how long after their death their fame would last.

Robert wrote,
Otherwise, we're back to the same old question, without names or numbers, how was a player expected to learn the trumps, certainly, there must have been some sensible order that a player could easily learn and remember?
You don't need a completely sensible order, just one that strings together a relatively small number of separate components, like a collage, or better - in the minds of the erudite, not the common people - a series of hieroglyphs, each with one or more component parts. Remember that they did not see hieroglyphs as essentially Egyptian, but any picture writing, especially sacred (hiero = sacred; glyph = carving).

The name "Bagatella" is a double-entendre, "little thing" - so the least of the triumphs - and "sleight of hand performer" (from the little things he used). I can think of no other reason he is there. It is not a standard medieval image: I can't think of any pictorial examples before his appearance in the taro, but I am ready to be enlightened. And in the Visconti-Sforza/PMB, he does have the four suit signs, which he is above.

Then came the "papi", at the other extreme of the social order. If the "papi" were originally all equal, as in Bologna, there was no order to remember. Later, assuming that Florence had "equal papi" too, it would not be hard to remember Emperors above Empresses and Popes above both: that is how it was supposed to go in society. The only tricky one was the Popess. There would have been different narratives.

Then the first three Petrarchans: Love, Virtue (replacing Pudicizia), this-life Fame (Chariot). The virtues are in Aquinas's order, I presume, i.e. Justice high. Then in the middle, the Wheel, Fortuna in the middle, and its change of direction; it is another medieval triumphal figure, the main one of Boccaccio's Amorosa Visione. Then two figures close to Death, the Hanged Man closest, followed by Death itself.

The ones after Death follow a variety of more or less familiar narratives. Piscina had Demonio as in the sphere of air, then Fire in the sphere of fire, then three spheres of the cosmograph in order of their usefulness to man, in practice how much light they give us. These triumphs could also be seen as symbolic of the End Times: devils reigning, fire and hail raining, the moon as Mary and the sun as Jesus, born a second time at Rev. 13:1. Then eternal Fame and the Last Judgment. A more erudite humanist narrative might be Plato's Allegory of the Cave, going from darkness to light.

Fools are not part of the social order, hence outside the order. There is also the Fool for God, also stepping outside the cosmos.

It is not some familiar medieval hierarchy, and in fact is a hodgepodge, but it has its logic, if you think in terms of papi, virtues, and Petrarchans, with other things stuck in (in my opinion, as afterthoughts). The B and C orders are admittedly harder. I very much think their placements of the virtues need explaining, but that is another issue. Even for them, it is all a matter of constructing edifying mental narratives in which the cards fit. Justice rules love, for example, in the marriage contract being sealed by the two lovers' handshake. So these narratives are reinforced whenever you play the game. The narratives in Florence serve to get the game past the prohibitions that were erected against gambling games, in that they inculcate Christian morality. We cannot forget that the game was illegal in Florence until 1450. While that didn't stop many people from playing, a few did get arrested, and sales would increase if the game was legal. Also, it would have been a good game for children - as in who the 1442 purchases were for in Ferrara, aged 10 and 11. Then once the game is legal and engrained, with possibilities for complex strategy, the pretense can be dropped and numbers added, so that the educational aspect is largely lost.

Huck: for Fame, the young man on a horse behind Justice is important to mention, too, the one whose ambition is Fame through serving Justice. And I don't think the Chariot is a bridal journey, she is middle-aged and her horses have wings. But a middle-aged, i.e. 30-ish, matron has to have Pudicizia, too, avoiding shame even in how she dresses. In her case, not to have had children by then would be shameful. Wings and white: in Plato, the chariots of the gods (not all of whom were chaste) were drawn by winged white horses; wings also are attributes of Fame's accoutrements, i.e. the trumpet in the Visconti di Modrone.

Note: a few hours after posting, I modified the paragraph on Time in Petrarch slightly, recalling aspects I had forgotten at the time. My apologies.
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Re: Bolognese sequence

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Robert wrote: 16 Apr 2025, 21:36 Many thanks Ross. I know this is an odd one, but are there ANY orders with the Hermit late in the order, especially before the Angel?

If we make some assumptions, (I realise these are not at all standard or agreed upon), trying to place Petrarch's triumph associations as such:
Love = Love
Chariot = Chastity
Death = Death
World = Fame
Hermit = Time
Judgement = Eternity

Then I would expect to see the Hermit late, but as far as I know, that never happens, and that theory is pretty blown.
There is a lot of text, when this was discussed-. See ... viewtopic.php?p=17682#p17682 ... this was 21 Oct 2016. Six Petrarca triumphs inside the 14 special figures of PMB-1, six trionfi, which were generated by Petrarca in his late life (which was finished 1374).

"Time" is late in the row of the Tarot-triumphs, when Star-Moon-Sun exist. The bodies of heaven generate time, years,
months, day and night. In numbers 17, 18, 19 and behind this the symbol "final time" 20 as Angel.

The 14 trumps of PMB-1 don't include virtues and don't include the trio Sun-Moon-Star.
The Hermit later stands for wisdom and age.
.... :-) ... there is no blown theory.

The situation was, that Franco Pratesi had brought up a question:
Franco Pratesi asked recently ...
"Given the 6 triumphs of Petrarch, how could they be expanded up to the 22 ones of the tarot pack?"

Re: Bolognese sequence

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Magic,

viewtopic.php?t=1041
The theme "Sola-Busca riddles" was started 31 Aug 2014 by myself. There was likely something before, but I don't remember this in the moment.
Post 35 was 12 Sep 2014 .... viewtopic.php?t=1041 .... actually this was only a periode of 12-13 days

My last contribution was 08 Jan 2017, post 39 ..... viewtopic.php?p=18572#p18572
Then SteveM made a lot of things .... I was occupied with other things then.

If you want to read this, I recommend that you get a view on the pictures, which you don't see directly. You have to quote my post and find the link to the picture.

I've no very special opinions about the Rothschild cards.

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mikeh wrote: 19 Apr 2025, 00:26
The name "Bagatella" is a double-entendre, "little thing" - so the least of the triumphs - and "sleight of hand performer" (from the little things he used). I can think of no other reason he is there. It is not a standard medieval image: I can't think of any pictorial examples before his appearance in the taro, but I am ready to be enlightened. And in the Visconti-Sforza/PMB, he does have the four suit signs, which he is above.
Here's one consistently dated to "around 1430", from the Vatican, Pal. lat. 1888 f. 101r
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https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File ... ._101r.jpg

I'm not sure on what basis it is dated. It's nicknamed "Art and Wonder Book", and it is full of strange scenes and war-machines. Here is the link to the full manuscript https://digi.vatlib.it/view/MSS_Pal.lat.1888

The Tübinger Hausbuch has been dated to 1404 because there is a count of years (Golden Number, Easter dates?) starting in 1404 (folio 7v), and nobody would need it for the past. Here is the magician from the Children of the Moon scene, f. 272r https://opendigi.ub.uni-tuebingen.de/opendigi/Md2#p=546
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Huck:
I'm surprised by the coincidence I explained. I don't know if it's clear. You looked for equivalences between Sola Busca cards and Lucca Tarot trumps. Finally, you created two groups of five cards, with two cards left out (Chariot and World). There's an incredible coincidence. The two groups you created are also separated in the two Rothschild-Arts sheets. Look at the six cards in the top row of Rothschild-Arts, which contains the five cards from one of your groups in Sola Busca plus the World. Then look at the six cards in the bottom row of Rothschild-Arts, which contains the five cards from your other group in Sola Busca plus the Chariot. I thought maybe you copied Rothschild-Arts a bit. That coincidence is important. Rothschild-Arts (1490?) and Sola Busca (1491) are from the same period. Possibly there was a strange order at that time. At least, it seems there was an intention to separate the 12 trumps of the Lucca Tarot into two groups of six cards. I hope I've explained myself well. If this coincidence (between Rothschild-Arts ans Sola-Busca) isn't a intention by Huck, then it is possible to support your Sola Busca hypothesis based on Rothschild-Arts, and we could study the logic behind these two groups. I hope that it was a sorprise for all of we. Right? I think it is interesting. Six cards are celestial (hanged, tower, star, moon, sun, world) and the World is in this group. Then, perhaps the world was above the Angel in Rothschild-Arts, as in Sola Busca. There are consequences.

Family:
I've read what you've commented on various issues, but I dont respond now because there are infinite details and possibilities. Thank you for the explanations about the origin of THF and for the reflections on Petrarch. Exactly, spanish word for Caridad in Petrarca context is: Pudor (sustantive) that is similar to Pudoroso or Púdico (adjetives). Thanks.

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Ross, wrote, about my query about the Bagatella image,
Here's one consistently dated to "around 1430", from the Vatican, Pal. lat. 1888 f. 101r https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File ... ._101r.jpg

I'm not sure on what basis it is dated. It's nicknamed "Art and Wonder Book", and it is full of strange scenes and war-machines. Here is the link to the full manuscript https://digi.vatlib.it/view/MSS_Pal.lat.1888
Thanks, Ross, I am enlightened indeed. I have been wondering for years about the antecedents of the image on the Visconti-Sforza/PMB card. I would have thought from the dress that the drawings were Italian, but I notice that some of the writing is in German (see 108r and 109v), as do the pointed roofs/turrets (2r, 42r, 47r, 50v, 64r, 65v, etc.), and that there are several alchemical images (1r, 3v, 5v, 7v, 15r, 39v, 45v) and others that are similar to ones found in alchemical books of the time, but more symbolic 8v, 11r, 12r, 14r, 17r, 20r, 21v, 35r, 36r, etc).

If German, how could this image have influenced the Visconti-Sforza Bagatella? Germany plus alchemy suggests transmission via Barbara of Brandenburg, whose father was a sponsor of alchemy. Barbara (born 1422) married Lodovico III, Marchess of Mantua, in 1433, so the book would have probably arrived in Italy then or after. According to Huck, she was present in Ferrara Jan. 1, 1441 (our style of dating), where the "14 figures" were presented by Leonello d'Este to Bianca Maria. So a very likely inspiration for the card, if the dating is accurate. Much appreciated.

The face of the figure opposite 109v, at 110r, is to me reminiscent of the German illustration that Marco found to be similar in part to the Cary Sheet Sun card: viewtopic.php?p=15514#p15514. The flag of 109v is reminiscent of its flag and its supposed flag. Also similar is the illustration Huck posted at viewtopic.php?t=402&start=90). These are later, I assume, although Gallica just says 15th century for the latter BnF Allemand 106 image (the other is also 106 but the ms. is a miscellany).

The face of the figure opposite 109v, at 110r, is to me reminiscent of the German illustration that Marco found to be similar in part to the Cary Sheet Sun card:viewtopic.php?p=15514#p15514. The flag of 109v is reminiscent of its flag and its supposed flag. Also similar is the illustration Huck posted at viewtopic.php?t=402&start=90). These are later, I assume, although Gallica just says 15th century for the latter BnF Allemand 106 image (the other is also 106 but the ms. is a miscellany).

I also see a similarity with an illustration from one version of the Heilege Dreifaltigkeit, a text Barbara's father was definitely involved with - not the Dresden copy, which is online, but another, unidentified by the author, Laurinda Dixon in Bosch: https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/i ... eWheel.jpg, especially the hanging man, compared with 95v, and the swordsman, compared with 77r.

Another ms. that might be relevant is Pal.lat. 1066, second half (the first half is a bestiary). It is alchemical, according to de Rola in Alchemy: the Secret Art (Spanish edition online in archive.org, p. 86), and I think I remember reading that it was German, but I have now forgotten where.

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mikeh wrote: 20 Apr 2025, 17:05 If German, how could this image have influenced the Visconti-Sforza Bagatella?
Great book, isn't it?

I wouldn't assume there had to be a direct German influence. Since all of our non-Tarot images of these prestigiatori in the 15th century come from illustrations of the theme of Children of the Moon, whether independently like in Baccio Baldini's prints or in the German Hausbücher, I'd think that there were similar manuscript images circulating in Italy that have been lost (or at least we haven't seen).

You know at least one, from the Sphaerae coelestis et planetarum descriptio (Biblioteca Estense Universitaria alfa.x.2.14, f. 12r)
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http://bibliotecaestense.beniculturali. ... .2.14.html

This has been attributed to Cristoforo de Predis and dated to around 1470, but I always wondered why it had Francesco Sforza and Bianca Maria's arms on folio 4v. This would make it date to before Francesco's death in 1466, or anytime between 1450 and 1466. Wikipedia's comments in the description of the manuscript here agree with me! https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Sphaera I'll have to start looking at the recent bibliography for explanations of how art historians have explained those arms while maintaining Cristoforo's authorship of the pictures. If the art is undeniably his, and his birthdate is only known to within the decade of 1440-1450, then it could be explained as youthful work done in the early 1460s.

In any case, the De Sphaera prestigiatore is roughly contemporary to Bembo's portion of the Visconti-Sforza, dated 1456-58 by Roberta Delmoro. It could even precede the cards.

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Hello Ross

Is Roberta Delmoro's dating of the Visconti-Sforza family consistent when she say that it is later than Peace of Lodi? Do you accept that or 1451?

Page 4 of the Sphaera manuscript shows on the left a dragon with a diamond ring, the emblem of the Este family, and on the right is the biscione eating a red Turk. Each creature has a coat of arms, but these two creatures (dragon and biscione) refer to Ferrara and Milan. If it's a manuscript before 1465, then perhaps we should look for a link between the Este family and the Visconti-Sforza family before 1465. Perhaps there was a marriage, but I can't think of one that early right now. Alessandro Sforza grew up in Ferrara and was the half-brother of Francesco Sforza. The deck attributed to Alessandro Sforza (which I assume was from Borso d'Este) is from the same period as the manuscript.

Well, I just wanted to draw attention to the Este dragon with a ring. Perhaps it was a ring from Ferrara, received by the Visconti, who had three rings in the garment of a deck of cards. Francesco Sforza's father was an ally of Nicholas III of Este, and Francesco lived in Ferrara as a child. Is that why the dragon has a ring in the manuscript?

I would like that some of this ideas was utils.

Ups!! Please, does anyone know why artists sometimes depicted the ground as broken, like a precipice? This is evident in some Visconti Sforza cards and in the Bagatto illustration in the Sphaera manuscript that Ross shared.

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Magic ...
Magic Moon wrote: 19 Apr 2025, 23:37 Huck:
I'm surprised by the coincidence I explained. I don't know if it's clear. You looked for equivalences between Sola Busca cards and Lucca Tarot trumps.
No. I looked for relations between Sola Busca and other known old Tarot motifs. The result was, that I found relations and all these relations appeared to motifs, which also appeared in the Lucca Tarot. There are 9 others, for which I found no relation. I called them "9 heroes", cause all 22 trump cards of the Sola Busca are designed as "Roman heroes"
Finally, you created two groups of five cards, with two cards left out (Chariot and World).
No. I found 13 relations and I found, that there are 2 groups of 6 (6 easy recognizable and 6 difficult to recognize, they need explanations) and a single card, the Chariot, which creates problems about its position in the group of the 9 heroes.
There's an incredible coincidence. The two groups you created are also separated in the two Rothschild-Arts sheets. Look at the six cards in the top row of Rothschild-Arts, which contains the five cards from one of your groups in Sola Busca plus the World. Then look at the six cards in the bottom row of Rothschild-Arts, which contains the five cards from your other group in Sola Busca plus the Chariot. I thought maybe you copied Rothschild-Arts a bit. That coincidence is important. Rothschild-Arts (1490?) and Sola Busca (1491) are from the same period. Possibly there was a strange order at that time. At least, it seems there was an intention to separate the 12 trumps of the Lucca Tarot into two groups of six cards. I hope I've explained myself well. If this coincidence (between Rothschild-Arts ans Sola-Busca) isn't a intention by Huck, then it is possible to support your Sola Busca hypothesis based on Rothschild-Arts, and we could study the logic behind these two groups. I hope that it was a sorprise for all of we. Right? I think it is interesting. Six cards are celestial (hanged, tower, star, moon, sun, world) and the World is in this group. Then, perhaps the world was above the Angel in Rothschild-Arts, as in Sola Busca. There are consequences.
I think, you speak of these 2 objects
https://tarotmeditations.wordpress.com/ ... hschild-3/
.... presented also both in Kaplan I, pages 128 and 129)
Well, this is not really a mystery, cause it's known, that the 13 Lucca Tarocchi trumps+Fool are the sequence of the Minchiate trumps/Fool ...
.... 9-10-11-12-13-14-15-(36)-(37)-(38)-(39)-(40)-0
In the general description it's clear, that Kaplan and others declared these objects as Minchiate fragments. The Lucca tarocchi is also recognized as Minchiate
fragment.

New is, that the Sola-Busca is a relative of the Lucca Tarocchi. For the Lucca Tarocchi it means, that it is "somehow" older than 1725. The 14 trumps and totally 70 cards of PMB-1 got a relative with 13 trumps and totally 69 trumps . For Prince Fibbia it means, that there is a new context for his story. And for the Genesis of playing cards in Europe the dogma of "nothing before 1370" gets a serious defect.

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Did you have an eye on ...

An interesting Austrian collection about the end of the world ...
viewtopic.php?p=26846#p26846

End of the World in 13/14th centuries
viewtopic.php?p=26854#p26854

Wikipedia has an article about Chinese playing cards
viewtopic.php?p=26920#p26920

The very first Holy Year was officially held in 1300.
viewtopic.php?p=26933#p26933

Famine in 14th century
viewtopic.php?p=26966#p26966

Happy Easter in Lucca 1369
viewtopic.php?p=27030#p27030

That is all about 14th century, the very early playing cards time.

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A researcher about early trade till 1400 in Bohemia, F.L.Hübsch, made a few notes about playing cards in the year 1849 in his work "Versuch einer Geschichte des böhmischen Handels: in besonderer Beziehung auf die Fluss-Schiffahrt und das Commerzial-Strassenwesen"
https://books.google.de/books?redir_esc ... 42&f=false
From Page 242: "Auch ein Kartenmaler namens Jonathan Kraysel aus Nürnberg kommt 1354 in Prag vor. Ob sich vordem schon ähnliche Künstler in Prag befanden, oder ob die Spielkarten von den Schilderern geliefert wurden, kann nicht diplomatisch nachgewiesen werden (Note 278).
Die ältesten zuverlässigen Nachrichten vom Gebrauche der Spielkarten in Böhmen finden sich im Jahre 1340 vor, allein solche schon früher, wie dies Urkunden darthun, von polnischen Edelleuten zum Zeitvertreibe angewendet wurden, so ist es auch wahrscheinlich, dass diese Spielblätter, wie bereits bemerkt, schon unter König Johann, zu welcher Zeit sie die Höflinge in Frankreich kennen gelernt haben, in Böhmen bekannt gewesen sind. Ob man solche aber damals in Böhmen selbst und von welchen Leuten verfertigt halfe, oder ob sie durch fremde Kaufleute nach Böhmen gebracht wurden, dies lässt sich nicht bestimmen; genug, wir sind für jetzt dahin angewiesen, zu glauben, dass der erste Kartenmacher der aus, Nürnberg gekommene Künstler gewesen sei."

(Note 278) "Unter den gangbaren Spielen, die in den königl. Verboten namentlich angeführt werden, und für die es schon unter K. Johann Unterrichtsanstalten gab, befinden sich verschiedene, deren Beschaffenheit nicht zu ermitteln ist. Würfel und Kugeln gehörten zu den verbotenen; Karten zu den erlaubten. Um der Spielsucht Einhalt zu thun, die damals unter den Jüngern Bürgern immer mehr einriss, verordnete Karl, wer immer im Würfelspiel verloren, der sollte durch volle 3 Jahre das Recht haben, den Verlust zurück zu fordern ; ja, wenn er hierin in den ersten zwei Monaten keinen Gebrauch gemacht, sollten an seiner Stelle die nächsten Anverwandten dazu befugt sein. Harte Gefängnis- und Geldstrafen standen auf alle verbotene Spiele. Wer bei falschen Würfeln ertappt wurde, verlor den Daumen der rechten Hand, doch konnte dieses in eine Geldstrafe verwandelt werden. Die Geistlichkeit eiferte gegen die Spielsucht. Erlaubt waren solche Spiele, bei denen Gewinn und Verlust nicht ganz vom Zufall abhängt, sondern das Meiste auf Klugheit und Nachdenken ankommt."
Automatic translation:
From Page 242: "A card painter named Jonathan Kraysel from Nuremberg also appears in Prague in 1354. Whether similar artists had previously been in Prague, or whether the playing cards were supplied by the illustrators, cannot be proven diplomatically (Note 278).
The oldest reliable records of the use of playing cards in Bohemia date back to 1340, but documents show that they were used by Polish noblemen as a pastime even earlier. It is also likely that these playing cards, as already noted, were already known in Bohemia under King John, at which time the courtiers in France became acquainted with them. Whether they were made in Bohemia itself at that time and by whom, or whether they were brought to Bohemia by foreign merchants, cannot be determined; suffice it to say, for now, that the first card maker was the artist who came from Nuremberg."

(Note 278) "Among the common games listed by name in the royal prohibitions, and for which educational institutions already existed under King John, there are several whose nature cannot be determined. Dice and balls were among the forbidden; cards among the permitted. To curb the gambling addiction, which was then increasingly prevalent among the younger citizens, Charles decreed that whoever lost at dice should have the right to reclaim their losses for a full three years; indeed, if they failed to exercise this right within the first two months, their closest relatives should be entitled to do so in their place. Severe prison sentences and fines were imposed on all forbidden games. Anyone caught throwing a fake dice lost the thumb of their right hand, but this could be converted into a fine. The clergy zealously opposed gambling. Games permitted were those in which winning and losing did not depend entirely on chance, but rather depended largely on cleverness and reflection."

Hübsch is known for having researched in the archive of the Altstädter Rathaus in Prague
https://deutsch.radio.cz/prager-aufstan ... us-8101201
There was considerable damage in the last days of WWII.
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Re: Bolognese sequence

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Hi Magic Moon,
Magic Moon wrote: 20 Apr 2025, 23:16 Is Roberta Delmoro's dating of the Visconti-Sforza family consistent when she say that it is later than Peace of Lodi? Do you accept that or 1451?
In her essay "Entre Filippo Maria Visconti et Francesco Sforza: Trois célèbres tarots ducaux" (Tarots Enluminés, chefs-d'oeuvre de la Renaissance italienne, Liénart, 2021, pp. 71-77 (this is the catalogue of the exhibition of the same name, held at the Musée Français de la Carte à Jouer, Issy-les-Moulineaux, December 2021-March 2022), she argues that the coat of arms on the Ace of Deniers and the Knight of Batons of the Colleoni deck (aka Visconti-Sforza), is that of the Bon family of Venice, of which NIccolò and Alessandro were Podestà of Bergamo (a Venetian possession) in 1458. It was Michael Dummett who first noted that this shield was Bon, in 1986 (The Visconti-Sforza Tarot Cards, George Brazillier, 1986, p. 74). The haloed lion on the shield of the King of Swords also can only be the Lion of Saint Mark, so that, Bon arms and Venetian emblem taken together, this deck was made for a Bon family member. For the dating of 1456-58, this is when Bembo was painting frescoes in the Castle of Pavia for Sforza, so she finds it reasonable to suppose that they commissioned him for the deck then as well.

I find it a reasonable dating. I could add that Sforza had his Venetian palace built at this time (begun in 1458), designed by the architect coincidentally named Bartolomeo Bon (no relation, the Bons whose arms are depicted in the cards were originally from Bologna, while the architect's family originated in Campione d'Italia).
Page 4 of the Sphaera manuscript shows on the left a dragon with a diamond ring, the emblem of the Este family, and on the right is the biscione eating a red Turk. Each creature has a coat of arms, but these two creatures (dragon and biscione) refer to Ferrara and Milan. If it's a manuscript before 1465, then perhaps we should look for a link between the Este family and the Visconti-Sforza family before 1465. Perhaps there was a marriage, but I can't think of one that early right now. Alessandro Sforza grew up in Ferrara and was the half-brother of Francesco Sforza. The deck attributed to Alessandro Sforza (which I assume was from Borso d'Este) is from the same period as the manuscript.

Well, I just wanted to draw attention to the Este dragon with a ring. Perhaps it was a ring from Ferrara, received by the Visconti, who had three rings in the garment of a deck of cards. Francesco Sforza's father was an ally of Nicholas III of Este, and Francesco lived in Ferrara as a child. Is that why the dragon has a ring in the manuscript?
The closest Francesco Sforza and Bianca Maria Visconti arms to those of the De Sphaera that I know are depicted on folio 1v of a manuscript of Tabula in librum Sancti Augustini De civitate D[e]i, dated by the copyist to 18 May 1464.
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(image from Gabriele Reina, Le imprese araldiche dei Visconti de degli Sforza (1277-1535)): Storia, Storia dell'Arte, Repertorio (Doctoral thesis, University of Lausanne, 2018), p. 125)

A larger version, but not so bright:
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(from the online manuscript at the University of Valencia, BH ms 0049 https://weblioteca.uv.es/cgi/view.pl?di ... 060&zoom=0 )

This rendering of the arms has the advantage of naming Francesco and Bianca Maria, and of being dated. The page also shows, as Reina points out, a large part of the Visconti-Sforza emblems).

Perhaps the De Sphaera manuscript was taken to Ferrara by Anna Sforza on her marriage of Alfonso I d'Este in 1491.
Ups!! Please, does anyone know why artists sometimes depicted the ground as broken, like a precipice? This is evident in some Visconti Sforza cards and in the Bagatto illustration in the Sphaera manuscript that Ross shared.
I think it's just a style that some artists used to show the edges of waterways and cliffs. Sometimes it might also convey that there is a chasm between the viewer and the subject, an intellectual chasm of understanding, implying that to interpret the meaning the viewer has to make a conceptual leap, i.e. interpret the subject allegorically or morally.

I've seen this style in various places, but here is one I wanted to share from a Visconti-Sforza manuscript that I saw today that is full of emblems and devices, Codex Trivulziana 2168
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https://archive.org/details/codice_triv ... 7/mode/2up

There are others with this jagged-cliff effect in the manuscript. I have no idea how to interpret the motto or device in the banner, which I'd render as TAL TRE BAI ME(not X but I with a bar through it, indicating an abbreviation) PL(abbreviation) ER (or FR, or an abbreviation from the elongated feet of the letters).

One author who took note of the writing on this banner was Diego Sant'Ambrogio in Lodi Vecchio San Bassiano, 1895, p. 44.
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