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I found a third Justice as Fama ...



... actually once discovered by Ross ...
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=404#p5314

Ross took it as similar to the world card in the Alessandro Sforza deck, but I actually see the scales ...



Later added:
https://www.artcodex.it/opere/petrarca/ ... hp?id=img8
offers a view on the full Trionfi poem version (as it seems all pictures, but not all in the correct row)

Huck,
I wouldn't call this a hybrid Fame-Justice - I think its labeled correctly as Fama (can anyone make out the cursive text on it?) as its a moralizing Fame, taking on Justice's attribute. Heracles, warts and all, was considered a model hero and thereby just (he's obviously depicted twice in that example).

Also, did you see the Scheggia "triumphators" image I posted at the bottom of the previous page?

Phaeded

Phaeded, I'm not sure, if I understand your argument.

I don't mind, that Fama is occasionally added to other figures, Prudentia or World and also Temperance, perhaps even divination (as Sphinx). In the case of the 14 PMB trumps it seems added to Justice. In the background of the figure we see a knight on horse. Sforza's fame is it, that he was the greatest condottiero of his time. The knight has personal logic. If Sforza would have been an intellectual scholar, his Fame likely would have hold a book (which Fame occasionally does) and would associate Prudentia.
Actually I guess, that the throne of the PMB-Justice might indicate 2 wings.

Huck wrote:If Sforza would have been an intellectual scholar, his Fame likely would have hold a book

Apparently his horse was a scholar.


Pisanello (1395-1455), medal of c.1441 on behalf of Francesco Sforza, Duke of Milan (1450-1466). Reverse: Horse head, besides three books, below sword.

... :-) ... no jokes please ...

I guess, that one cannot compare coin motifs (which can vary in many directions) and the 6 motifs of the Petrarca Trionfi series (which know some fixed patterns, which at least to some parts repeat their attributes with variants), it are just different fields.

I don't know, why Sforza mixed a horse with a book. And I don't know, if these objects are indeed books. Also there is a sword, not to forget. If these objects are books, they look, as if they are closed by a special installation ...



... like some of these:



But (if it are indeed books) it looks like a very unusual installation to keep the book closed. I would think, that these are not books. Whatever this is ... I've no idea.



Added: However, at this resolution it looks more like books:

Does somebody know these cards ...







Related webpage:
https://www.etsy.com/listing/102414353/ ... al-limited



Seems to be an imitation.

Huck wrote:

I don't know, why Sforza mixed a horse with a book. And I don't know, if these objects are indeed books. Also there is a sword, not to forget.

The medal was minted in 1441 by Filppo Maria in appreciation of Francesco’s assistance in his campaigns (another one was made for Niccolo Piccinino).

“On the reverse of Francesco Sforza’s medal there are a horse’s head, a sword, and a stack of books. These carefully selected objects allude to Francesco’s diverse interests in arms and letters. The horse’s head is based on numinastic images of Alexander the Great’s famous horse, Bucephalus, and was clearly meant to link Francesco with the greatest warrior of all time.”

The Renaissance Portrait: From Donatello to Bellini, By Keith Christiansen, Stefan Weppleman, Patricia Lee Rubin. P.34

SteveM wrote: The medal was minted in 1441 by Filppo Maria in appreciation of Francesco’s assistance in his campaigns (another one was made for Niccolo Piccinino).

Interesting. The question is, if this was just concluded by the researchers, or indeed documented.

I detected a 4th object, once found by MikeH ...
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=398#p7167

mikeh wrote: In engravings, an example is this one, one of six on the same sheet, which I get from Hind 1938, Early Italian Engravings. He gives no attribution; but Lambert 1998, Les Premieres Gravures Italiennes, calls him "the Master of 1466."

A bad copy of the second object. "Master of 1466" should "Meister of 1466" or Meister E.S.", who is also known for playing card productions.
Actually it was my immediate impression, that the object 2 might be German. But the source said "from Florence".

And I've difficulties to see the scales.

Norcia ...
La basilica di San Benedetto prima del crollo del 30 ottobre 2016.

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basilica_di_San_Benedetto

Now ...
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cv_5Ay6XgAQUFYJ.jpg
http://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/erdbeben-161.html


http://www.emsc-csem.org/Earthquake/?view=1