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OOps, I made an error with my own suggestion (SY-I-Ching) exchanging two S with two N. I've repaired it, also for the older presentations. So once more: this is the update ...



... now the North-South line isn't identical to Steven's version.

Huck wrote:
The described object might be a cube or an octahedron ....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octahedron

... one of the platonic bodies, or it might be also 3 lines on a globe, which make the globe look like a round christmas parcel. Like this ...

http://www.polaris.iastate.edu/NorthSta ... ivity1.htm

... made by 3 circle lines, one forming an aequator, the other both connecting North and South and everywhere we've nearly 90 degree at the cutting points. The 6 cutting points (in six directions, seen from the center) cause, that there are 12 direct connection lines. These might be that, what we're talking about.

Yes my version describes an octohedron, but it would work on the globe model with three lines too.

SteveM wrote: Yes my version describes an octohedron, but it would work on the globe model with three lines too.

Indeed, it likely doesn't seem to make a different pattern, if octahedron or if globe. Could it be, that the cube logic also doesn't make a difference?

A cube has 6 sides, 8 corner and 12 outside lines.
An octahedron has 8 sides, 6 corners and 12 outside lines.

SteveM wrote:Of the cube model the Long version is I think the most elegant and the zodiacal sequence quite clear:

Following the Long principle (above = cardinal signs, below = mutable signs, middle (right edge) = fixed signs) :

Note: In the above, the right hand side has all the solar signs, Capricorn - Gemini, on the left hand side is all the lunar signs Cancer - Sagittarius.

Huck wrote:

SteveM wrote: Yes my version describes an octohedron, but it would work on the globe model with three lines too.

Indeed, it likely doesn't seem to make a different pattern, if octahedron or if globe. Could it be, that the cube logic also doesn't make a difference?

A cube has 6 sides, 8 corner and 12 outside lines.
An octahedron has 8 sides, 6 corners and 12 outside lines.

Actually not that much difference. Mine vary from the Long where the Long always starts at the top -- in order to trace a continuous I have to go top to bottom then bottom to top. However, the result is similar, in that as the Long divides into Cardinal top, Fixed middle & Mutable bottom - so the octohedron also divides in cardinal, fixed and mutable planes. It also gives one a different method to derive tree models based on polygons other than cubes.

Yod = 10 = a triangular number. Which might be represented by a tetractys or the tree of life, thus:

Like Yod 10, Yod He (15) & Yod He Va (21) are triangular numbers.

We may represent YHV as a tetrahedal pyramid of 21 balls per face thus:

We can draw vector lines between the centres of the spheres to create an isotropic matrix. The matrix is composed of the tetradron and its space filling complement the octohedron. This is where I began experimenting with the octohedron, from contemplating the triangular properties of the name JHV.

Slowly, please ...

I'm just checking, what you said earlier.

I think you are working on Long and on Gra with this ...



The really good argument should be the fixed, mutable and cardinal orders. Checking them I find errors.



The fixed order is okay. The mutual is always wrong, instead these zodiac signs are all lines which go to the "Lower" point.

Then the zodiac signs of your 3rd group should go all to the "Upper" point. Which is true, when I compare my other list ...



Nonetheless you detected there a sort of system ...

All 4 to lower ... mutable signs
All 4 in the middle ... fixed signs
All 4 to upper ... cardinal signs

That's fine.

Added:
The two rings between upper and lower would be ...

1. SL Virgo, NL Pisces, NU Capricorn and SU Cancer
2. WL Sagitarius, EL Gemini, EU Aries, WU Libra