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Andrea Vitali found this ...


http://books.google.it/books?ei=bpb3TLu ... rch_anchor

A new Trionfi card note of 1483 ...
Crema - as Bergamo (1488), Salo (1489) and Bergamo (1491), which also allowed Trionfi cards in this time - belonged to the Venetian territory.

It seems familiar, but I can't find it anywhere else. I'll have to get the article - there might be a copy of Romanica Helvetica for this year (1943) near me.

If you search "triumphos" you find that on page 439, triumphos and tarochum are mentioned at the same time in Crema, 1534. The word "tarochum" is in italics with a note, so it might mean that it is inserted into the manuscript at a later date or something. It is interesting to find "triumphos" and "tarochum" mentioned at the same time.

Ross G. R. Caldwell wrote:It seems familiar, but I can't find it anywhere else. I'll have to get the article - there might be a copy of Romanica Helvetica for this year (1943) near me.

If you search "triumphos" you find that on page 439, triumphos and tarochum are mentioned at the same time in Crema, 1534. The word "tarochum" is in italics with a note, so it might mean that it is inserted into the manuscript at a later date or something. It is interesting to find "triumphos" and "tarochum" mentioned at the same time.

Andrea Vitali wrote about this triumphos and tarochum at the same time in 1534. "Quilibet possit ludere ad tabula set schacos et triumphos et tarochum de die et de nocte."

http://www.letarot.it/San-Bernardino-e- ... 7_ita.aspx
see note. 4

I think, that Andrea is already on the run to find the text.

There's another new Trionfi card note, also found by Andrea Vitali:

“Ludere al magidem seu tabularium et a scacum, cartas vel triumphos” Sabbioneta, Statuta 1484,I, 220 in “Glossario Latino Italiano, Stato della Chiesa, Veneto, Abruzzi”, pag. 328 ( by Pietro Sella)

Also at
http://books.google.it/books?id=Fl1udOS ... &q&f=false
Also at
http://documents.irevues.inist.fr/bitst ... 0TEXTE.pdf

Article analyzed for things in the articles, which might interest us:
http://trionfi.com/0/p/46
see this, and you find the relevant notes

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Sabbioneta

ca. 30 km north of Parma, in that time at Mantovan territory. In 1484 it was reigned by the second son of Ludovico Gonzaga and Barbara of Brandenburg.
http://genealogy.euweb.cz/gonzaga/gonzaga8.html
Gianfrancesco, 1st Conte di Sabbioneta e Signore di Bozzolo (1479-96), *1443, +Bozzolo 28.8.1496; 1m: 1479 Antonia del Balzo; 2m: ?;

In 1484 Francesco Gonzaga I, ruler of Ferrara 1478-84 and elder brother of above mentioned Gianfrancesco, died at 1484-07-14. The heir, Francesco Gonzaga II was 18 years old, likely his elder uncle Gianfrancesco (who owned Sabbioneta) played likely a stronger role - then.
http://genealogy.euweb.cz/gonzaga/gonzaga8.html
One might bet on it ... the Statutes should have been written after 1484-07-14.

Sabbioneta is 1484 more the name of a region than a city. In 1484 there seems to be a village and a castle. Sabbioneta takes stronger development in second half of 16th century. It becomes an ideal city, something like Sforza's Sforzinda.



This is the modern Sabbioneta. One still recognizes the plan of an "ideal city".


http://www.bianchivelo.it/GSElio/Itiner ... ioneta.htm

It was build up c. 1560, but this isn't interesting for my purpose. The riddle is, what had been there before, cause from the year 1484 there is a Trionfi card note referring to Sabbioneta.

This is the Theatro Olympico ... maybe similar to that, what is described Alberti's "Momus".

This new discoveries seem the wikilieaks of tarot.

News:

Robert Swiryn finally has published his http://www.thesecretofthetarot.com/ "The Secret of the Tarot"
See also:
viewtopic.php?f=9&p=9420#p9420
http://tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=147249

Andrea Vitali has published a series of new essays:
In Italian:
http://www.letarot.it/Saggi_pag_pg5_ita.aspx (together with older essays)
Partly translated to English:
http://www.letarot.it/page.aspx?id=5&lng=ENG

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This card might belong to a sort of "Oldest German Tarot" from "a little later than 1493".

More pictures in "Il Castello dei Tarocchi"
see: http://trionfi.com/n/

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Merry Christmas

Gasp... Fabulous card Huck - and new to me! Thanks for the links too, though I'll have to wait till after Christmas to enjoy them.

Pen

This is quite a spectacular find Huck ! Are there more hi-rez pix from this deck ? It doesn't seem to be part of the standard Tarot iconography. Unique and interesting and new (for an antique Tarot card).
- At the bottom of the card I see what appear to be a pair of dice with the number four on each one. Could this be true ?
I'm afraid I won't be buying "Il Castello dei Tarocchi" anytime soon. But I hope someday an english translation comes out. By then maybe I'll have some 'crazy money' for it. - Thanx for the update and a Merry Xmas to all!

5 pictures of this deck are presented at "Il Castello dei Tarocchi".

see http://trionfi.com/n/

All these pictures have two dice results, and all 5 motifs appeared in the 1493 "Schedel'sche Weltchronik" without dice results.
In 1494 Bianca Maria Sforza married the new Roman king Maximilian of Habsburg. Bianca Maria was addicted to playing cards. German public seems to have been interested to answer with publications on this new political reality.

One of the projected Nurremberg publications became a book project about "Roman Trionfi", started in 1493 and finishing with no result in 1496/97, likely stopped cause the new political realities didn't apply to the expected "big business" with Italian-German topics.

The deck seems to have been a product of this "too enthusiastic" short period. There are more than this 5 cards, and perhaps we will get better information in near future.

Thanx Huck ! I look forward to further revelations. Googling for "Schedel'sche Weltchronik" I found a surprise link on Wikipedia to a very nice colored editon of what should be this book, though it is called the "LIber Chronicum" at the Münchener Digitalisierungszentrum (MDZ). The sun and moon picture from the card appears several times along with many other interesting things.
http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/bsb00034024/image_1
There is also a very similar uncolored book with same title, but significant differences. Many of the best illustrations are missing and it is a much more boring book.
http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/bsb00044259/image_1

If I understand correctly, these 5 images on those cards are taken from this book. I think this is a very important discovery for Tarot History. It shows a completely different deck from the Visconti etc. and a definite source for the images. From a book ! It certainly puts the traditional Tarot in a new perspective.

Of course, decks like the Mantegna and the Minchiate demonstrate a much broader iconography than the Visconti already. But here we have a known source for the card images.
- The dice are also quite nice