Tarot History Forum

Ross G. R. Caldwell wrote:I think that's Sarkozy's face in the Hals painting. It can't be the original.

LOL! I thought so!!!! Let me find another!!

Thanks Ross, I was rushing.

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Fixed, and I see yours is too. Oh well.

robert wrote:

Ross G. R. Caldwell wrote:I think that's Sarkozy's face in the Hals painting. It can't be the original.

LOL! I thought so!!!! Let me find another!!

Thanks Ross, I was rushing.

Yes, but it's very good work nonetheless.

Ariostel wrote:the current French definition of "bateleur" as tight-rope walker.

indeed that definiton was attested at least from the XVIIth century. It has recently been noted on the Tradition des Tarots de Marseille forum that bateleur also meant "sonneur de cloche" (bell ringer) circa 1490 (see here)

Here are some links of Papal portraiture that I chose because of the interesting clothing or headgear.

http://www.fineartprintsondemand.com/ar

http://www.hanscomfamily.com/wp-content ... _x-400.jpg

http://www.hanscomfamily.com/wp-content ... 27956.jpeg

http://z.about.com/d/historymedren/1/0/ ... essina.jpg

http://www.lib-art.com/imgpainting/6/4/ ... aratti.jpg

http://www.religionfacts.com/christiani ... ope-sm.gif

http://www.uga.edu/italian/painting/sli ... ulius2.jpg

http://www.insecula.com/PhotosNew/00/00 ... 4544_3.jpg

http://www.wga.hu/art/m/maratti/clement9.jpg

http://www.lib-art.com/imgpaintingthumb ... bracci.jpg

Bertrand wrote:

Ariostel wrote:the current French definition of "bateleur" as tight-rope walker.

indeed that definiton was attested at least from the XVIIth century. It has recently been noted on the Tradition des Tarots de Marseille forum that bateleur also meant "sonneur de cloche" (bell ringer) circa 1490 (see here)

Look at this page: http://dictionnaire.sensagent.com/bateleur/fr-fr/
I think you'll find it interesting. I think the early cards remind me much more of "charlatan" than the modern interpretations allow. I've found that Googling is especially useful this way:
www.google.fr
www.google.it
etc.

Would you say the hat of our TdP bateleur is very similar to that of the CY-sheet ( both of whom also share the attribute of a monkey).

Would you agree our TdP Bateleur's dupe is very similar to the TdP lover?

And she looks a little like the lady in strength:

SteveM wrote: And she looks a little like the lady in strength:

(Of whom we may note has both traditional attributes of lion and broken pillar.)

SteveM wrote:And she looks a little like the lady in strength:

The lovers being in the middle of both:

I - VI - XI

(Cupid in the lovers is in the position of the fool in the bateleur - an allusion between folly/love?)