Tarot History Forum

Robert : So the deck we are looking at images from, at least according to my book, is not J.H. Rochias, but rather Jacques Rochias fils from 1782.

-Of course could be the same mould !
Just may be and worth an investigation !

EUGIM wrote:Robert,your words were very interesting.
Regarding to Noblet,I sincerely don t guess what those red spots are.

-Insist about Bourlion when you talks about the shape of the wings,more closer than Conver,just I think.

BOURLION - XV.jpg

*The shape and measurement of the genitals are also much closer.

Yes, that's what I was saying last night... that Tarot de Marseille I and Tarot de Marseille II have different styles of wings and for sure the Rochias is like the Tarot de Marseille II there, (and in most of the cards).

I like this card very much, I wonder why it is so different?

EUGIM wrote:Robert : So the deck we are looking at images from, at least according to my book, is not J.H. Rochias, but rather Jacques Rochias fils from 1782.

-Of course could be the same mould !
Just may be and worth an investigation !

No, they're not. They are different. I can see both of them right in front of me and the J.H. is not from the same mould.

I do think the J.H. IS from the same mould of #2 deck, also by Jacques Rochais fils, but unknown date sometime in late 18th century.

Your Star is also from Deck #1 by Jacques.

Notice the 5 pointed yellow start instead of typical 8 pointed star? JH has the typical 8 pointed star.

Here is Jacques Rochias and the Chosson.

Your re right but my source is this : http://lexic.ru/WWPCM/decks03/d01622/d01622.htm

EUGIM wrote:Your re right but my source is this : http://lexic.ru/WWPCM/decks03/d01622/d01622.htm

He's mixed up.

Look at the "2 Diamond" (2 coins)... it says Jacques!!!!

Well my hat off my Master !!!
I did n t take a look on the numerals ...

EUGIM wrote:Well my hat off my Master !!!
I did n t take a look on the numerals ...

Now, another mystery. What do you think the writing means on this card?

http://lexic.ru/WWPCM/decks03/d01622/d01622hA.jpg

I keep thinking this is connected to the "Swiss Tarot de Marseille", something Kenji said a few years ago. I'll see if I can find it. I think the JPP might be someone named Proiche or something like that. My memory is going.

robert wrote:

EUGIM wrote:Well my hat off my Master !!!
I did n t take a look on the numerals ...

Now, another mystery. What do you think the writing means on this card?

http://lexic.ru/WWPCM/decks03/d01622/d01622hA.jpg

In the XV, on the ground, next to the acolytes, they appear the same initials that in the one of coups, ¨P¨ and the indecipherable symbol.
Check it out: