Thanks for publishing meanwhile.
About FAMA VOLAT ans SPQR :
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Why a "late manufacture" (fabrication tardive), and how late? How do we know that early decks did not have flaps? Adrian interpreted the Beinecke's report on the Cary-Yale as suggesting that it had flaps. (viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1084&p=18358&hilit ... ess#p18358). Its cards are certainly thicker on the borders than in the interior. I recall that the curator at the Morgan did not bother to check the borders vs. interiors. From him all that came out was that the 6 "2nd artist" cards were significantly thinner than the other ones.Or, comme le souligne Thierry Depaulis : ils » sont formels : les pigments employés ne permettent pas d’aller au-delà d’une datation très générale. La présence de rabats, que souligne le rapport d’analyse, témoigne en faveur d’une fabrication tardive, même si, manifestement, le dessin et la peinture ont été posés une fois chaque carte montée, comme c’est aussi le cas pour les cartes de la Collection Rothschild
Or a triumph of Scipio Africanus following the Battle of Zama which, in my personal opinion, would be more appropriate. (Pompey represented the Senate at Pharsalus).BOUGEAREL Alain wrote: The Triumph scene might depict Julius Caesar after the Battle of Pharsalus against Pompey, seated on a golden wagon accompanied by his army. All roman soldiers wear contemporary arms and armour, including barbutes and armets. One soldiers seems to wear a winged helmet, one of few vestimentary references to Caesar's time.
mikeh wrote:I did not understand the point made by Depaulis about the flaps, rabats, 2nd sentence below:Why a "late manufacture" (fabrication tardive), and how late? How do we know that early decks did not have flaps? Adrian interpreted the Beinecke's report on the Cary-Yale as suggesting that it had flaps. (viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1084&p=18358&hilit ... ess#p18358). Its cards are certainly thicker on the borders than in the interior. I recall that the curator at the Morgan did not bother to check the borders vs. interiors. From him all that came out was that the 6 "2nd artist" cards were significantly thinner than the other ones.Or, comme le souligne Thierry Depaulis : ils » sont formels : les pigments employés ne permettent pas d’aller au-delà d’une datation très générale. La présence de rabats, que souligne le rapport d’analyse, témoigne en faveur d’une fabrication tardive, même si, manifestement, le dessin et la peinture ont été posés une fois chaque carte montée, comme c’est aussi le cas pour les cartes de la Collection Rothschild
But I am not sure I understand "le dessin et la peinture ont été posés une fois chaque carte montée" correctly. GoogleTranslate gives "the drawing and the painting were placed once each card mounted", which does not make definite sense in English. Perhaps you can help with the translation.
Mikeh
Well your translation is ok.
The pigments only give a general datation.
About the post writing, a posteriori without dates, of the numbers on the prior first unumbered images, I am not a specialistbut that's what the scientific analysis states.
Thierry Depaulis, Tarot , Jeu et Magie, pp 40 – 41 Bibliothèque Nationale, 1984"
Maybe Ross can be of some help here...
You wrote
"One other thing: it seems significant that the Fool is sitting on the chariot, as if to remind the triumphator not to let fame go to his head."
The Charioter has the Medicis Stemma.
The Fool different from the Charioter is, yes, sitting on the Chariot.
I had missed that point.
Good observation.
I had only seen the 2 SPQR : one on Fool and behind a horse rider.
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Roman glory SPQR (Fama?) is not eternal : Fama Volat...So maybe this was the idea...
Yes Kate.Kate wrote:Or a triumph of Scipio Africanus following the Battle of Zama which, in my personal opinion, would be more appropriate. (Pompey represented the Senate at Pharsalus).BOUGEAREL Alain wrote: The Triumph scene might depict Julius Caesar after the Battle of Pharsalus against Pompey, seated on a golden wagon accompanied by his army. All roman soldiers wear contemporary arms and armour, including barbutes and armets. One soldiers seems to wear a winged helmet, one of few vestimentary references to Caesar's time.
Of some interest, Scipio Africanus was held to be a paradigm of moderation (=temperance) in the Renaissance.
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