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In Il Mondo e il Angelo (pag: 73), Michael Dummett said John Shephard think the Goldschmidt tarot was made by Cesare Borgia around 1500.
Somebody know the argument of Shephard?
Thanks!
Crown and Arms of the Dauphin of France
Dauphin (Dolphin) is the title held by the eldest son of the king of France.
It means this is the presumptive heir to the throne until his coronation.
http://www.mcsearch.info/search.html?se ... &l=&page=3FRANCE, Dauphiné. Charles V of France, 1364-1380 AD. AR Gros au dauphiné (2.45 gm). Crowned dolphin / Cross with lis and dolphins in quarters. Pr.4915. Toned VF. Rare. [Est. $325]
Spring 1461: A Milanese painter got the order to learn from Rogier van Weyden in Brussels. Roger agreed.F1. King LOUIS XI "le Prudent" of France (1461-83), *Bourges 3.7.1423, +Plessis-lez-Tours 30.8.1483, bur Notre Dame de Clery; 1m: Tours 24.6.1436 Margaret of Scotland (*25.12.1424 +16.8.1445); 2m: Chambery 1451 Charlotte di Savoia (*1445 +1483)
* G1. Joachim, *VII.1459, +Namur XI.1459, bur Amboise
* G2. Louis, * and +1467
* G3. King CHARLES VIII "l'Affable" of France (1483-98), *Amboise 30.6.1470, +there 7.4.1498, bur St.Denis; m.Langeais 1491 Dss Anne de Bretagne (*1477 +1514)
o H1. Charles Orland, Dauphin de Viennois, * Château de Montils-lez-Tours 1492, +Amboise 1495, bur Tours
o H2. Charles, Dauphin de Viennois, *IX.1496, +Château de Montils-lez-Tours X.1496, bur Tours
o H3. François, Dauphin de Viennois, *Château de Montils-lez-Tours 1497, +1498
o H4. Anne, *and +20.3.1498, bur Tours
* G4. François, Duc de Berry, *Amboise 1472, +there 1473
* G5. Louise, *Geneppe nr Brussels 1460, +1460
* G6. Anne, Vcts de Thouars, *1462, +Château de Chantelle 1522, bur Souvigny; m.1473 Duc Pierre II de Bourbon (*1438 +1503)
* G7. Jeanne, Dss de Berry, *1464, +Bourges 1505, bur there; m.1476 King Louis XII of France (*27.6.1462 +1.1.1515)
* G8. [illegitimate by Phelise Regnard] Guyotte, batarde de France; m.Charles du Sillon
* G9. [illegitimate by Marguerite de Sassenage] Jeanne de Valois, Dame de Mirabeau, +1519; m.Paris 1466 Louis batard de Bourbon, Cte de Roussillon (+1487)
* G10. [illegitimate by Marguerite de Sassenage] Marie, +1469; m.1467 Aymar de Poitiers, sn de Saint-Vallier
o H1. Jean de Poitiers, sn de Serignan
* G11. [illegitimate by Marguerite de Sassenage] Isabelle, m.Louis de Saint-Priest
o H1. Jeanne de Saint-Priest; m.18.1.1488 Soffrey Alleman
http://trionfi.com/0/c/50/Dummett declares, that ""Vim vi" is a motto used by various Italian families, and he says: "but I've not been able to discover one for whom playing cards are likely to have been painted". Dummett gives the information, that "the Guildhall catalogue records both pairs as having been found in an old chest in Seville" (Spain).
Sorry, friend, do you remember in which document are this?Spring 1461: A Milanese painter got the order to learn from Rogier van Weyden in Brussels. Roger agreed.
But the painter was invited to do some work for Louis. Rogier van Weyden was disgusted, as it wasn't his interest, that "foreign painters" got commissions, which otherwise would have gone to Flemish artists. And the painter consumed too much vine. Bianca Maria Visconti, duchessa of Milan, had to write humble letters, that the painter could stay a pupil of Roger.
Letter or letters from Bianca Maria Sforza ... I know only descriptions. Somebody, who claimed, that she had the letters, said, that there's an error about the stay of the artist (she insists on 3 years later or something like this). She didn't share the letters ... this wasn't convincing.mmfilesi wrote:Very interesting, thanks for the development.![]()
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- may be related the falconer with the German hunting decks (same for the cards Guildhal)? what do you think?
Sorry, friend, do you remember in which document are this?Spring 1461: A Milanese painter got the order to learn from Rogier van Weyden in Brussels. Roger agreed.
But the painter was invited to do some work for Louis. Rogier van Weyden was disgusted, as it wasn't his interest, that "foreign painters" got commissions, which otherwise would have gone to Flemish artists. And the painter consumed too much vine. Bianca Maria Visconti, duchessa of Milan, had to write humble letters, that the painter could stay a pupil of Roger.
Looking in Hoffman's book of 1972, The Playing Card, in the English translation, I see nothing about "paper research". In the paragraph after his discussion of the Goldschmidt, on p. 18, he does sayThe Goldschmidt cards are in the Spielkartenmuseum Stuttgart-Leinfelden. Hoffmann reported 1972, that a paper research was done in the 1950's. The result was a c. mid 15th century.
This refers to the game in general, not the Goldschmidt in particular. But perhaps Hoffman wrote something else in 1972.There is literary and material evidence of the game of tarots in the middle of the 15th century.