Tarotée - The Back-Door To The Secret

Good Day To Everyone!

My name is Adrian Goldwetter and I came to this site dedicated to history in the last days of August so we didn't meet here before but I'm looking forward to that with pleasant anticipation.

When I did plan this thread I was not quite sure how I should do it so I asked "James" (Robert) about your customs around here on the terrace.
He told me to go easy on the load of information and pics in the 1st post but I couldn't manage to "slim" it down more than I did.

So please go easy on me and bear with me even if it might be a lot.

To make the construction of this thread more clear for you I made a PDF that will be ready for free download from scribd after I'll have the spelling errors corrected that I detected yesterday and I'll post a link to that here.

I converted the PDF to JPGs so that you can access each page as an "individual" JPG.

With the PDF I encountered a bug that I couldn't solve so far and I humbly apologize for my clumsiness with modern technology here - but eventually I can solve that too when I do the "spelling-update".

The links in the PDF are not "click-able" even so they turned "blue" like hyper-links should.
They are not many though so I'll post them "down under"...

Links in the PDF:

Page 2:
http://tarot-de-marseille-millennium.co ... llery.html

Page 4:


Page 5:

Page 9:

Page 19:
>>> EDITION on the 19th + 21st of February 2016:

I created 6 folders with 37 (from more than 500 of the same format) files on Dropbox. Just read them according to the file names for better orientation and a little background knowledge in the LiBER MUNDi thread on Aeclectic. The text files were made available by Ross Caldwell once for the LiBER MUNDi thread that is already filed here below as the link on the 25th page of the PDF I made for this topic:


1-16 GODs:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/706svldbo6op ... Gy1Sa?dl=0

2-How the Geomantic ORACLE works:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/65099zo7i856 ... VqHma?dl=0

3-How the 16 Signs got their Names in the 1st place:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/fwzqndsoj5tb ... PUc2a?dl=0

4-Distribution & Variations
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/hyykxpkb4xjw ... vkV2a?dl=0

5-How the STRUCTURE of the 16 Sign is based on the 8 folded STAR from the BEGINNING+2. Form
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/zzabpvkfqp8e ... gxHua?dl=0

6-Meaning is a matter of PERSPECTIVE
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/7bn39pseo1uv ... Kd-Wa?dl=0

The GEOMANTIC system with it's 16 distinct and ancient "characters" ( > 16 GODs) was very popular in the Renaissance throughout Europe and Filippo Maria Visconti (like many aristocrats) had books in his libraries about the concerned themes - especially Geomantics.
Page 25:

The JPGs I made are completely free for "private use" only!
The JPGs were made the way they are to inspire the wish to "recreate" in the "spectator" so that he may be able to "build" on them.

Dropbox link to the JPGs of the PDF-pages:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/9gw3z8cphm51 ... SmbYa?dl=0

The JPGs of the PDF-pages do follow the order of the original PDF-pages from 1 to 27 and are accessible each separately so additionally it will be possible for you if you wish to "quote" from this thread in your post you can download the respective page-picture and post it AS a quote. This would make an ongoing conversation much more transparent for the reader who comes "late" because pictures and text on the pages are quite consistent in the particular pages of the PDF and furthermore the 3-pages JPGs can be used as a "table of contents" for quoting:

1. 2. 3.


4. 5. 6.


7. 8. 9.


10. 11. 12.


13. 14. 15.


16. 17. 18.


19. 20. 21.


22. 23. 24.


25. 26. 27.


From the Dropbox link:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/9gw3z8cphm51 ... SmbYa?dl=0

you can access all the JPGs in a far better quality - they are actually up to 1.08 MB and ca. 30 cm x 45 cm (2479 x 3508 x 24 BPP) in original size. What you can see here is only a thumbnail-like-representation and meant for you to get a quick first impression that you can decide on whether you want to go deeper.

If it should be requested I can upload the original JPGs that I used to create the PDF too because some were due to the layout process scaled down to 40% of their original size.

Have Fun!

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Dear Readers here now is the intended link to the PDF on Scribd for free download.
The links in the PDF should work now too.

https://de.scribd.com/doc/241968716/Tar ... ot-com-pdf

If you encounter any issues on any matter of any kind: please let me know...
...and let me say that we (my unicorn & I) appreciate your patience and thoughtful awareness very much!


Attention Please + + Attention Please + + Attention Please + + Attention Please + + Attention Please + +

Right NOW We Are Counting The 22nd Day Of The Month December In The Year Of (please insert your favourite name/title here) 2015 CE.

This is a present from the future - so don't be afraid: It's about to be X-Mess (- and isn't that supposed to be the most miraculous time of the year?) what are the longest nights of 2015! and I was thinking a lot about how I could make these holidays for you the most interesting you have ever had (and - probably - ever will have either... ).

For those who did already take the opportunity to read through these few following pages ((in your past: dear new friend (?)) it may not come as a surprise that I proclaim such "outrageous" and "cocky (!)" announcements - but they experienced also that I stood by them too.

So - if you stay true to the course/cause of this thread (and keep on reading and looking and evaluating and reproducing and ... ) you may understand what this illustration down under is about and you may have a miraculous holy time - or not (as/like always :) )

This is the complete "frame work" for The 22 Great Secrets - The "gaming board" of the 78 you could say - and to make it even more exiting and entertaining and educational for you I've done it with "blancs" (77 to be correct) so that you can get "a feel" for what "card reading" is REALLY about because all of them "tell" you where their station in The BEGINNING is.

It would be appropriate and an intelligent choice to give The OUROBOROS (as advised in TRUE TAROT on the provided scribd link) a try too - in your hood YOU would be the 1st one to ride The DRAGON I promise AND the girls and guys like that a lot you and I know... furthermore you would understand all the better how the 22 get to know THEIR place (of birth :) )
>> Edited on the 22nd of December 2016 <<

So that you could understand The OUROBOROS all the better in Tarot terms I made a NEW thread:

Tarot de Marseille Type II: The Ouroboros Project

Please remember that A. E. Waite put him on the cover of his 1st edition 1909 of "The Key To The Tarot".
Aleister Crowley renamed The WORLD > The UNIVERSE and fashioned it after the likeness of the great Serpent Ouroboros.

BOTH obviously did not KNOW about the technical details to invoke the ancient entity with the primordial assistance of the historical Tarot cards - so they created NEW pictures after their own personal taste and on behalf of their only allegorical knowledge:

They were told parts of the background story and molded their new illustrations after those scraps and their own personal belief systems - while taking away all that was real!
Now you can learn some news from their mistakes WHEN you SEE the original appearance of The OUROBOROS in CARD form.

This is a great and complicated matter and I try my best to inform you to the best of my abilities - but you should ASK whenever something seems shady to you - PLEASE!
The 22 and their "starting points" are already known to those who have (like me) been to the future before - so you - dear (?) new person - will understand this some pages later too - and if not: just ask!


So I wish ye all a merry X-Mess and a happy... (Joseph should know by now what else :) )

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I notice that you use the word "Tarotée" only once in your pdf and post, namely, the title. What is your understanding of that word? Why did you pick it for your title? I assume that you meant the crisscross pattern that you analyzed. But I would like to know more about the relationship of that to the word "Tarotée".

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Hello mikeh and a prosperous new year for you!

Thanks for taking the time to read through all the stuff and replying.

Even though you are not entirely right in your assumption that the "T" word is only used once in the PDF...

(on page 27 is the following paragraph:
>> The thread is about the "Tarotée" – as the "back-door" to the “Secret” and the Visconti family tarot cards that bear a similar pattern that allows to get the “game” – that leads to the “Secret” – started.
The Visconti-Pattern is – as presented – the core of the cards and they couldn't go without it.
That's why the carpet is made of pure gold. And originally a real carpet is meant to be walked on.
Only the Viscontis had knowledge of that.
Obviously – because this pattern is seen nowhere else in that time on the cards.
It is the “essence” of “gaming” and you can not do without it.
Because of that it was incorporated as a “decoration” on the back of every card in a Tarot de Marseille deck.
If the maker of that special deck (some didn't) choose to do so.
And not every one who did knew what it was for (like Wilfried Houdouin... )
So the “Tarotée” became over time a decoration that was first meant to be a disguise. <<
Maybe you just overlooked it.)

...you pose a good question that brings me to "The Language Problem" in the worldwide Tarot-Community.

French and Italian and English/American enthusiasts live for the most in different "galaxies" of the Tarot-Universe.
"Tarotée" is obviously a French word what can be identified by the "accent aigu ´ (acute accent)" and it is the female form of an adjective. The male form would be "taroté".

It is especially meant to describe the compartmentalized monochrome feature on the back of (historical) Tarot cards.

http://www.larousse.fr/dictionnaires/fr ... otée/76762

But it can also be considered a verb. The "Participe passé féminin singulier de taroter."


When you follow the link you can also "click" on the word "taroter" and find that it means "playing the game of Tarot".

So there you have the very close relationship of the pattern to the game. And to the (historical) Tarot cards themselves.
And that's why I choose it for the title (among other reasons).

US Games invented for the Rider-Waite Tarot a tartan pattern (1971 ?) that is also used for blank "tarot cards" and sold under the "Americanized" name "Blank Tarot, Tarotee Back Cards" on Amazon for ex.
Now (mostly) Americans think that Tarotee is really a word and that it describes the tartan pattern on Rider-Waite cards.

You can see when you go to the "Tarot of Marseilles Millennium Edition" site (from where the "Back-Doors" were downloaded)...

http://tarot-de-marseille-millennium.co ... .html#haut

...that Wilfried Houdouin (who is a Canadian now living in France) choose the term "taroted" to discribe the card's backs what would be the correct choice. But without context no English/American recipient could understand the word.

Now I did not really "analyze" the "crisscross pattern".
I merely demonstrated that even if those "tarotées" look different (because of scale and decoration) they can be reduced to a display of diamonds - and the artist everytime leaves a "hint" to do so.
This is very obvious in the original Jean Noblet Back-Door. One of your favourites as I see.

Speaking of "accents": in the French Language sometimes an accent can change the WHOLE meaning of a word.
This is the case with the card devoid of any numerical value: Le Mat.
The word "mat" occurs as an identifiable expression only in gaming (chess: échec et mat = checkmate; and tarot: a noun, a name)
In every-day-life "mat" means lusterless or the like and is an adjective that describes the noun.
With one exception: être mat = no complete translation can be found in English (être = to be).
In German it would translate to: Schachmatt (checkmate) sein (being) with the meaning of "total exhaustion".
So in this case (combined with "to be") it is classified as a verb.
"Mat" as a noun/name does only exist on Tarot cards

So the name "Le Mat" is purely artificial and code - because when you add an "accent circonflexe ˆ" to the "a" it becomes "Le Mât" = "The Mast" and you have a variety of nautical nouns (or "names") with that term.

I elaborated on that a little in the PDF.

I hope that I understood your question the way you meant it - if not please be back.
I'll be happy to answer every question to your satisfaction.

All the best

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Thanks for showing me where else you used "tarotée". Actually, I didn't look very carefully. I just used the "find" function on my browser. Somehow, the word only came up once when I did that. My apologies.

The reason I asked had to do with another thread, at viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1051, where a 1637 book uses the word "tarautée" and translates it into German as "musiert". I'm still not too sure what "musiert" means, but I think, from Huck's clues, that it means repeating patterns, say squares or triangles, etc. i.e. geometric, but very small, as decoration for the back of cards--not just tarot, but any playing cards.

Failing to get clarity from the German, I did look up "taroté" in French dictionaries. Not Larousse, which I expect will give me modern definitions, but historical dictionaries, at http://artflsrv02.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/ ... arot%C3%A9. As you can see, there are two definitions, one for 1694 and one for 1762. "Compartments" is only in the 1762. Before that, it is "rayes", which I take to mean lines. The other dictionary I should look at is Le Grand Robert, for historical uses. It's on the other side of town from me, but I will get there sooner or later.

About the Noblet, yes, that is a good example--and also of "musiert". But it is not very early, even if 1650. 1694 is not very early either. The word "tarot" is documented 1505. What kinds of back did cards have, between 1505 (when the word "tarot" is documented) and 1637 (the book on the other thread), such that there something unusual about the backs of tarot cards, to make the connection from one, whichever it was, to the other? I don't know the answer, but perhaps you see my problem.

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No apologies needed mikeh.
This incident only shows that modern tech should not be trusted blindly ;)

I followed your link to the thread and read a little around and googeled a bit.
If you just want to understand what "tarautée" means and are not so keen on understanding what the German word "musiert" means - you should go with the expression "tarautées":

https://www.google.de/search?client=ope ... 8&oe=UTF-8

(please copy > paste)

Among some old dictionaries and books is a very interesting link (the 10th) to this site:


by Ross G. R. Caldwell on 20 Jul 2012, 14:54 in a reply to "Tarot Origins and Early 15th Century Woodblock Printing" - the 1st post of page 12.

Claude-François Menestrier (1631-1705), Bibliothèque curieuse et instructive de divers Ouvrages Anciens & Modernes, de Littérature & des Arts (Trevoux, 1704), vol. II, pp. 178-180.

>> ...they covered them with criss-crossing lines in the form of a Mesh ["Rezeüil"=reseau] which gave them the name Tarcuits and Cards Tarautées. ... << (the text there is very explanatory - etymological wise.)

Huck posted a direct answer to that. Maybe he remembers.

Similar to the "tarotée" (criss-crossing) pattern in my PDF what is made from "rayes" (rays/beams/lines) that cross in a "réseau"-like fashion.

The german word "musiert" can also be used in relation to (lead) came glasswork.
The lead came is originally straight and such lead "beams" (can) form "les carreaux" for "le réseau".

Now I am no etymologist (and I have my own ideas where the word "Tarot" is rooted) - but in French "tarautée" and "tarotée" sound absolutely alike...

I think that your problem is about to be solved.

On a sidenote in the "Daniel Martin 1637, "Trumpfspiel"" thread you say this:
>> He (Adrian Goldwetter) seems to think it has to do with a crisscross pattern found there, and also on the fronts of some of the early cards, but I am guessing, as he never says, that I can find. <<

I really don't get what you mean here. Have some words gone missing in the "submit" process?
Since you've posted here (in this thread) already and I do not want to disturb the other thread with such questions: could you please explain and I promise I will say, that you can find!

About the Noblet: No - not really and not right now.
First someone would have to establish the "beams" by following the hint of the artist.
Afterwards the "net" will have replaced the honeycomb.

Right now I don't have the time but I'll be back with pictures.


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I made 4 JGPs so that you can follow the "harvesting" process from Jean Noblet's "honeycomb" on the back of his (original) cards.
The honey is still edible - after all those years. Sweet.

If you follow through and look close, real close and magnified (because the "Bibliothèque Nationale de France" has only this pretty crappy image on-line) you see those dark crosses with zig-zag endings surrounded by a light halo that is outlined in the same dark color (monochrome > another meaning/use for "grisaille" in art history) in the middle of each honey comb - where the honey would be in real life.
In the center of each cross is a little white circle with dark outline and "overpowering" the center of each cross - with an "X" in it that does not really fit into the honeycomb structure (aesthetically speaking > because it goes against the main structures already determined by the honeycomb with it's focus on 6 and the cross's focus on 90°).
A simple dark dot would have been a better choice if an aesthetically pleasing ornament was the goal.
But since the dawn an X is used to mark a significant place ...and here it sticks out like a sore thumb.
It may be the most ancient "letter" of all.

Descriptions of this pattern on the JN card's backs in literature mostly concentrate on the dark crosses. Some assuming Christian connotations.

When you now establish the "1st Beams" you connect all "X"s that lay in the path of each individuell "beam".
Now we come to one of the perks of modern tech. Photoshop (or similar). Drawing by hand would take a while.
In PS you can create one of those beams with specific features. Length - width - color - etc. ...and angle.

...and then just duplicate it. Every "clone" will have the exact same features.
In this case 16 beams for "Beams 1" - and 17 beams for "Beams 2". Just strictly following JN's visual hint's.
The distance between those beams differs slightly and each one has to be placed individually.
BUT THE ANGLE NEVER CHANGES. The beams are true "parallels" in the geometrical sense.
That is a clear indication that the "Net" was the underlying construction plan and the honeycomb with it's crosses was hand-drawn over it to conceal it some more and mislead the nosy onlooker.



Now back to your last paragraph mikeh:
>> ... The word "tarot" is documented 1505. What kinds of back did cards have, between 1505 (when the word "tarot" is documented) and 1637 (the book on the other thread), such that there something unusual about the backs of tarot cards, to make the connection from one, whichever it was, to the other? I don't know the answer, but perhaps you see my problem.<<

My "hypothesis" (see PDF please for more detailed info) is that the "Net-Pattern" that you see on the Visconti-Family cards in the background of (nearly) ALL personas (a psychological term for "social mask" in very short) - Great Secrets and Court - depicted in the appearance of an oriental carpet on a sheet of 24 carat gold is the well from which all later (historical) Tarot-Artists drank.
Inspired (initiated) and uninspired (copyists and artisans).
JN was not fully "initiated" - but he knew about the "Gold" because he incorporated the "Golden Rectangle" (see PDF please... ) and came by this (golden) means to rather personal/peculiar measurements for his cards.
...and he knew about the "Honey" (of wisdom) dripping from the "Net". He knew about 5 + 1 and about the 16 (see PDF please... ) but not about the 18.

The Net-Pattern is not a mere decoration (disguised or not). It ist the playground for the cards (see PDF please... )
And "the unbound book of leaves for kings" can only be read with it's help.
No playing instructions book for whatever card games that were played in taverns and salons will give a hint how to use it.

So those cards in the "gap" between 1505 and 1637 of inspired (initiated) Tarot-Artists should have had a backside pattern that could be reduced to the "tarotée/tarautée" - mirroring the "Net-Pattern" on the golden carpet of the Visconti-Family cards.

But if the artist was able to incorporate the "Net-Pattern-Hint" in another fashion this would not have been necessary and the backs could have been plain colored or marbled or whatever.

And if he worked not after the Visconti model (in the Visconti-Line of the tradition so to say) he wouldn't know about the "Net" and wouldn't be able to produce his version of "the unbound book of leaves for kings" anyway. His cards could look anyway he liked them.
Exactly like today.

(My Unicorn MADE ME say all this!)


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Thierry Depaulis once had made an argument, that there's is no early literary note (till now) about Tarot (or similar name forms) in Germany before 18th century. Which is plausibly right, but it's rather implausible, that never some Tarot or Trionfi cards arrived here. A possible gap in this calculation is the possibility, that Germans might have used other names. One might be the expression "welsche Karten".
In this context the use of "musirt" and "Musierung" is interesting. Otherwise it's just an old-fashioned word.

The idea, that the "tarotée/tarautée" technology somehow gave the reason for the word Tarot, is rather old (16th century, though for the moment I don't remember, where I've seen this).
But there are about 20 or more suggestions, how the the word "Tarot" might have developed.

Most promising to me looks the appearance of the word "Tarochus", used by 2 maccaroni poets in the 1490s.
It was discussed here with some length.
search.php?keywords=tarochus&terms=all& ... mit=Search

The dating of these poems has its complications, I think, that the older belongs to September 1495, after the French more or less have lost the battle at the river "Taro" in July 1495. The poem describes a scene at a bridge in Asti (likely belonging to some peace negotiations, which took place in Asti in that time). The poet (from the Milan party) wanted to cross the bridge, but an opposing official (French party) of the bridge demands money for its use.
he's addressed as a "Tarochus" by the poet, a word, which before the poem (and before the battle of the river Taro) couldn't be detected elsewhere. Ross interpreted from the context, that it just means "idiot", I personally would assume, that this plausibly likely negative word implied the meaning "looser of the battle of Taro", reflecting the momentary rather actual context.

The second poet (French side, from the Asti region), also a macaroni poem lover, also used the word Tarochus, and
he knew the other poet not in a friendly manner. The date is not clear.

Macaroni poetry ...
Macaronic Latin in particular is a jumbled jargon made up of vernacular words given Latin endings, or for Latin words mixed with the vernacular in a pastiche (compare dog Latin).

The word macaronic comes from the New Latin macaronicus which is from the Italian maccarone ("dumpling", regarded as coarse peasant fare). The term can have derogatory overtones, and is usually reserved for works where the mixing of languages has a humorous or satirical intent or effect. It is a matter of debate whether the term can be applied to mixed-language literature of a more serious nature and purpose.
The word "Tarochi" as a name for a card deck type appeared first in June 1505 at the court of Alfons d'Este, duke of Ferrara. Alfonso had become duke in January 1505, so relative short before. One might call it a Ferrarese custom, that a new Ferrarese ruler ordered a new playing card deck type as part of his personal impresa. Leonello ordered a Trionfi deck very short after he became Signore of Ferrara, Borso possibly took a little longer time (also Trionfi), from Ercole it's assumed, that he made a deck after his wedding to Eleanor of Aragon (also Trionfi).

In the context of Alfonso's sister Isabella (married to the Marchese of Mantova) the new word was criticised, and the older name ludus triumphorum was defended (likely in a phase of 1512, when French soldiers were driven out of Italy.

Well, Alfonso had a clear French sympathy, in 1504 he had visited the French court and later as duke he took the French side, even in times, when it was not opportune to do this.

The relation to the word "Tarochus" likely had its changes. In 1494 France looked like great winners, in 1495 they looked like the big looser, and in 1500/1501 they were winners again.


The suggestion, that the "Taro" and the word "Tarot" somehow belong together, is of an older date, the Tarochus passage was found by Ross a few years ago.

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Hello Huck and thank you for contributing to this thread.

That is a lot of valuable info you put in there and I read through it several times.
In your first paragraph you explain your interest in the word "musiert" and at the end you write:
>> In this context the use of "musirt" and "Musierung" is interesting. Otherwise it's just an old-fashioned word. <<

You are right in so far that the "Duden" (THE authority on German Language) lists "musiert" as a word with very seldom use - but still as a word belonging to "professional jargon" (Fachsprache). The "Duden" declares that it means "musivisch" (Bedeutung = musivisch )


If you google "musivische Arbeit" older lexica come up and also the "Duden" again with "musivisch".
It is explained there that it belongs to artisan work with glass and stone.


And this book comes up:
"Versuch den Ursprung der Spielkarten, die Einführung des Leinenpapieres und den Anfang der Holzschneidekunst in Europa zu erforschen. Von Johann Gottlob Immanuel Breitkopf (1719 - 1794) Zweyter Theil, welcher die Geschichte der Schreibe- so wie der Schönschreibekunst, und der Kinder der Zeichenkunst, Bildschnitzerey, Mahlerey und Musaik, sowohl an den Decken und FUSSBÖDEN als auch an den Wänden und Fenstern, nebst einer Geschichte der Mahlerey in den Handschriften u.s.w. enthält. Aus des Verfassers Nachlasse... ...Leipzig 1801..."

https://books.google.de/books?id=KHsPAA ... &q&f=false

About "FUSSBÖDEN (= floors)" he has some interesting things to say:

https://books.google.de/books?id=KHsPAA ... it&f=false

As a "musivische Arbeit" he mentions a "musivisches Pflaster" that was discovered at Mümpelgard among other topics.

When you now google "musivisches Pflaster" you get that it is THE especially GERMAN term for the well known black and white "mosaic pavement" of squares in Free Masonery. When you tilt that "chessboard" so that it looks like a "carreau (= Karo/= diamonds)...

https://www.google.de/search?q=musivisc ... 80&bih=898



(Source: http://www.seelenzeichen.de/freim.htm )

http://www.freimaurer-templer.de/Freima ... stahl.html

...we are exactly where we (especially I) started.
The "Tarotée" (criss-crossing) pattern in my PDF what is made from "rayes" (rays/beams/lines) that cross in a "réseau"-like fashion - found at the foundation level of Free Masonry in the exact same manner as the "musivisches Pflaster (mosaic pavement)" that is in the place where the carpet on the Visconti-Family card belongs - on the floor. But when this pavement is used as an illustration (Lehrtafel = graphic training aid) it is found on the wall - just like the carpet on the Visconti-Family cards in the background of (nearly) every persona.

Furthermore the "Ladder" is there that I mentioned (and cited) in my PDF several times.

Do you remember from our PM conversations about the NABVCHODENASOR card (XXI) between the Sola-Busca (Tarot) cards that I recommended reading the "Copiale" or "Copiale Cipher" (a German coded Free Mason book from around 1730) with the remark that you would have to translate it yourself from the good de-cyphered German to English because the English translation is flat out WRONG in SO many cases?

Now that is a lot of work. Especially when someone deems this strain of thought not credible - but then I thought that you as a German might give it a shot.

That translation from decoded German to English is so wrong that on conspiracy Forums like AboveTopSecret the opinion took root that a whole new Secret Society - "The Oculists" - were discovered.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copiale_ci ... e_Oculists

This is especially crucial for the last pages of that document (as I explained to you) because there a new (for 1730!) group of "rogue young masons" are mentioned who caused trouble and upheaval for the "established" masons like Count Friedrich August von Veltheim (the supposed Lodge Master).
He alerts every good mason to their mischievous behavior that is fit to stir trouble with the authorities and he predicts that they will vanish in the near future.

I mentioned to you that they did NOT and that they went to BUILD the NEW WORLD in every respect.
Revolution (not quite a word in 1730) was their THING.

Sometime after that I had to drop our PM conversation for several (also personal) reasons and my personal time is quite limited right now.

In the "Copiale" the Masonic Initiation Ritual is particularized in every detail first hand because it was meant to educate other (to be) masters.

In the "TRUE TAROT" manuscript on scribd (on which my PDF and this thread rests upon)...


..."C" shows especially on the pages 81 - 92 (when the VIIIIth Secret must find its place on the table and in the world) that only a REAL Mason could work with the cards because he was able to draw true to scale.
The dark lines of a card could relatively easy be copied and with the "square grid projection" transformed to a larger (specified) scale.


To comprehend fully what he really DOES there it is unfortunately nearly inevitable to reproduce his illustrations in your own Photoshop (or similar) program. Those are the "hidden pictures" - "hidden between the cards" - he talks about!

1. A simple overlay of "Le BATELEUR" (I) and "L'AMOVREVX" (VI) shows that "L'AMOVREVX" is drawn as if the personas are children at the table of "Le BATELEUR" (page 83).
(The same overlay in a different context is first shown on page 56 > titled "COAGULATIO" - a special stage in the Alchemical Process of Transformation. "Le BATELEUR" (I) gets titled "PRIMA MATERIA" on page 55 with connection to the golden coin in his right hand.
The "seeding with/of gold" and looking at gold as the "Prima Materia" is a special branch of Alchemy > Geber = Jābir ibn Hayyān. Other hints in the manuscript on scribd point in the same direction.)


(please copy > paste)

http://schuledesrades.org/palme/books/d ... Q=1/1/3/84

2. On page 84 the "Ladder" is introduced to the overlay.
(This is an item that is referred to in length from page 57 - 66 - he does that while using an English translation from the original Arabic BOOK OF CAUSES attributed to Apollonius of Tyana, bypassing the Latin, similar to the one of Nineveh Shadrach with the exception of one word. Instead of "projection" he uses "conception". The book is better known as "The TABULA SMARAGDINA" or "The Secret of Hermes" and he uses topic 2. + 3. of the text.(Please see my PDF pages 19 - 22))

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/44cosmic_w ... ablet.html

3. Page 86 shows that when you use the "Ladder" in the right way you can grow a "L'AMOVREVX" of the same bodily height as "Le BATELEUR".
Now "Le BATELEUR" seems to kiss the woman on the left. "C" explains in a crude poetic way that this is a memory of the (now) widow (see for yourself please).

4. On page 87 Amor takes action. His arrow gets lengthened and becomes a vector that crosses the red "Ladder-Frame" of "Le BATELEUR" at a very significant point AND his own blue "Ladder-Frame" of "L'AMOVREVX" at the bottom.

5. On page 89 "Le BATELEUR" with his red "Ladder-Frame" is moved exactly so far to the right that he reaches the point where Amor's vector crossed the blue "Ladder-Frame" of "L'AMOVREVX" and "Le BATELEUR" and the young and youthful man become ONE. They MELT into eachother. When you see this happen in your own Photoshop or whatever you may cry. I did.

6. Page 90 introduces "L'HERMITE" to the now 3-fold picture. Due to the "Ladder" device already grown 3 times as large in bodily height as the original card that is obviously the same as "Le BATELEUR". Amor's "vector" is lengthened backwards so that it runs through "L'HERMITE's" lantern right up to the left top corner of "L'HERMITE's" own "Ladder-Frame".

7. On page 91 topics 10. 11. and 12. from "The Secret of Hermes" are cited with the exception that "Thrice Hermes" becomes "Thrice-Great Hermes", obviously to emphasize that "L'HERMITE" has grown to 3 times his size in this process what makes him a persona of HERMES. Furthermore in original French "L'HERMITE" is written without an "H" = "L'ERMITE" what should be another hint to that.

8. Page 92 shows a "Ladder-Frame" model with move and arrow/vector of the whole process to clarify I suppose that a geometrical procedure is used to describe a "magical" model that enabled the "scholars" to go beyond the boundaries of this world. Think of Abaris and his golden arrow and his close connection to Pythagoras.

https://books.google.de/books?id=ox3QRx ... as&f=false

As I said: when you reproduce this all yourself you will see more and better.
In the whole this scene can be taken as a summary of the masonic myth of "Hiram Abiff" ("Le BATELEUR" - on this level only).

Especially >> ...the French Freemasons subsequently changed the myth and called themselves Sons of the Widow, and for this reason: "As the wife of Hiram remained a widow after her husband was murdered, the Freemasons, who regard themselves as the descendants of Hiram, called themselves Sons of the Widow." <<


Through "Initiation" the Mason becomes Hiram.
In this "card play" "L'AMOVREVX" ("The BELOVED") marries into the family of the late Hiram Abiff by marrying the daughter and so becoming the (new) "Good Son" of Hiram's widow (and Hiram of course!)
The Ritual requires (for ex.) the bared left leg of "L'AMOVREVX" that you see page 87.
When "Le BATELEUR" and "L'AMOVREVX" have become one and "Solutio" (another alchemical term that describes the whole process on page 81 that is the 3rd stage in Geber's Alchemical Process of Transformation and deals with "regenerated embodiment" > a "baptism") is about to happen (through LOVE) The BELOVED inherits Hirams belongings (even his shoes!)
So that is why "L'AMOVREVX" (Paul Marteau/Grimaud/1930) has to have bare feet!

You see this is a quite complex matter and it should be mandatory that you read through that thing before we talk about it. So please have a look!

This is the first time that I saw someone ("C") make sense of an EXISTING deck of Tarot cards without the need to produce a new one like AC and A. E. Waite and ALL the others - and exceeding all my expectations!

The last topic (for me) on musiert should be about "glass work".
I found this book on google: "Magazin der neuesten Erfindungen, Entdeckungen und Verbesserungen für...
Neue Folge, Nr. 7. Leipzig | Erscheinungsjahr: 1816 | Verlag: Baumgärtner

https://books.google.de/books?id=krtAAA ... as&f=false

On page 9 (what is the second page of the VI. paragraph with the headline: Ueber musivische oder ausgelegte Fussböden.) it says:
>> ...Zu August's Zeit wurde die musivische Arbeit mit kleinen Stücken aus VIERECKIGEM Glas gemacht...
((= In the time of August(us - the Roman Emperor I get from the context) mosaic work was made with little pieces of SQUARE-SHAPED glass.)) <<

End of musiert, musivisch, etc. for me. I think I made my point of view clear here.

Of course I would not concur in your opinion that the word "Tarot" is rooted in >> "Tarochus", used by 2 maccaroni poets in the 1490s. <<

With all those Arabic hints at my disposal I will certainly go with "Tariqa" especially the Arabic plural form "Turuq" because from what I know so far the real game is based on 2 paths on several levels and Tariqa means ""way, path" and describes a "Sufi" order dedicated to find "ultimate truth".


Some may think this to be far out but you should think about the "Biscione" of the Visconti and about the legend how it came to them.
When you know about "Barakah" and about what a dead "Barakah" (like the one of Gurdjieff and his "4th Path") means you can possibly imagine what the dead "Saracen" in the Visconti myth implies... But this should be another post (or perhaps thread!)


My time is running out now and I must hurry.
I'll see to it that I can come back soon.