Thanks for the additional information on Cordovero, Steve. Where can I read about what you are talking about? I just know excerpts from "Garden of the Pomegranates" in the Essential Kabbalah, by Mott, which only had the one. The language there would seem to exclude more than one path from Malkuth. On the internet all I see is a book by that title by Regardie.
Thanks also for the link to SV (http://tarotcirkel.files.wordpress.com/ ... -waite.pdf). Now I have something to work with. Here is what I come up with.
The justifications for first fiveincluding the Fool look pretty good. The sixth, V as the Bull is OK. Osiris was the Bull-god, worshiped as such in Alexander VI's depiction of himself, and all the humanists knew that, not just him. For the seventh, I suppose true lovers can be considered twins.
For VII, he says, "The House of Luna". I don't see that in Lilly. Anyway, the Moon is not triumph VII. He adds "Only the exaltation of Jupiter makes us look further". Jupiter would fit the Charioteer, as the truimphator of the gods. OK.
For VIII he has Justice, which fits no historical tarot. Leo is just the Lion. Good enough for Fortitude, but it doesn't fit the C order that he is using.
For IX he has Virgo. House of Mercury. The virgin for knowledge, he says, i.e. Hermit. Makes sense, for when the card had that name.
X is the Sun (in the Sefer Yetzirah order), which fits the Wheel.
For XI he has Libra, "the Balances". Just Justice, in no historical tarot as XI or the twefth triumph starting from the Fool.
For XII he has Water. In some old packs, he says, the Hanged Man is called the Drowned Man. I have never heard of that.
For XIII he has Scorpio. He has "evil house of Mars, the house of death." Well, yes, scorpions are deadly.
For XIV he has Sagittarius. "The Archer, House of Jupiter. This sign seems to claim "the Lovers" too." Not very helpful for getting to Temperance.
After that, his zodiac and element signs are OK. For XV, Capricorn, a goat will do for the Devil. And Aquarius for the Star. And that's it. But at least four of the middle seven--VIII, XI, XII, and XIV-- haven't been justified at all. So it's more than just the two, Justice and Fortitude. I have no idea how to bridge these gaps.
In some C orders, IX is Fortitude and XI as Hermit. But Libra doesn't fit the Hermit, nor Virgo the Chariot.
I was interested in seeing what happens if we apply the A order to the assignments (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YlU6F53x-_E/U ... .35+PM.png).
Then (remembering that the A order sometimes doesn't number its Bagato) we have the VII equivalent as Chariot in Bologna and Temperance in the Charles VI and Rosenwald. What does Cancer have to do with Temperance? My thought: Cancer has to do with one's feelings and positive Cancer, with being good at managing them. That's what Temperance requires. I don't know if this is a Renaissance analysis or not.
For VIII we have Justice in Bologna and Fortitude in the other two. The latter works.
For IX, Virgo, we have Fortitude in Bologna and Justice in the other two. Perhaps being unattached is required to admnister justice.
For XI, Libra, we have the Wheel. Well, the four sides seem in balance.
For XII, Water, we have Time. There were water clocks; also, water works to dissolve things over time.
For XIII, Scorpio, we have the Hanged Man. OK, the sting that kills.
For XIV, Sagittarius, we have Death. He was shown with a a bow and arrow early on.
For XV, we are at Capricorn again, and everything is like C, allowing for the switch of Angel and World.
In this case X the Sun is correlated with Fortitude in Bologna and the Rosenwald, and the Chariot in Charles VI. The Lion is a solar animal.
So if I take the Rosenwald order as my model, I can, if I stretch myself, get from the Sefer Yetzirah to the tarot. I'm surprised; I totally didn't expect that. These match-ups have the advantage of being more hidden. Libra as Justice and Leo as Strength is way too obvious. Maybe the Sefer Yetzirah isn't irrelevant to the historical tarot after all--not as part of its impetus, don't get me wrong, but as something that fits one of the orders, when then affords a symbolic equivalent to the Sefer Yetzirah. Maybe the Golden Dawn just got the wrong tarot order and SY planets order. Somebody please tell me the flaws in my fuzzy logic.
Huck: your shift from 32 to 64 is interesting. Applied to "paths" on the Tree of Life, I assume that would mean that they work both ways, so down the Tree as well as up. 32 paths, but 64 ways.
Added on Aug. 23: A fixable flaw in the above argument about the applicability of the Sefer Yetzirah to the A order tarot sequence is my statement about XV to XXI: " For XV, we are at Capricorn again, and everything is like C, allowing for the switch of Angel and World." Actually it isn't quite the same as with the C order. Even though the order of subjects is the same, what is on the cards, which is what allowed some of the correlations, is not.
The type A Star card does not show an Aquarius-like figure pouring jugs of liquid. It has people looking at a star and pointing. I see no way of getting to Aquarius from that! It is too much of a stretch to say, "Well, it is the Star of Bethlehem, ushering in the Age of Pisces, and it's only 2000 years til the Age of Aquarius." Nobody was thinking that far ahead. However I think one way of making the connection is as follows. The Rothschild only showed a Star, nothing else. In classical literature a mythologically important star (as opposed to planet or constellation) was Sirius, the Dog Star, in Egypt Sothis, whose rising signaled the coming Nile Flood. Aquarius was on the western horizon at that time.
Another difficulty is the Moon card. I see no way of connecting the astronomers on the A type Moon cards with Pisces. But the Moon taken by itself governed the main motions of the sea, the tides, and Pisces is an association to the sea. Another association has to do with its place in the sequence: the Moon governs the month after the rise of Sothis, i.e. the period of the rising Nile flood.
A third difficulty is the Sun card. Its A type scene was of a lady with a distaff. What does that have to do with Jupiter? Again, it is just the Sun itself, as on the Rothschild. Just as Jupiter is the god who dominates over thel others, so does the Sun dominate over the other celestial bodies. Another association, again pertaining to the card's place in the sequence: the month after the Moon's month is the Sun's.
So in every case, by means of just one association, it is possible to get from the tarot image to the corresponding Sefer Yetzirah assignment.
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