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Re: The Emperor

Very helpful information and ideas, Huck and Marcos. Marcos, I was saying that I thought the Charles VI card was the Pope. I was disagreeing with Kaplan. Also, I suggested that the reason the 4th man on the Wheel of Fortune looks like the Emperor might be that both designs had originally been for an...

The 15th century Empress

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_5e7P4Y3Wo3w/THNICmatf4I/AAAAAAAACPQ/QpNFZFoz-vE/s1600/03acarySforzaSM.jpg The first known Empress is that of the Cary-Yale, a card which I presume existed in some form during the reign of Filippo Visconti. She has on her lap a shield with the single eagle of the Holy Roman...

Re: two emperors in the wheel

Even more interesting! Perhaps I should have said "at least the illustrations." I was going by Wikpedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Battista_Alberti):[quote]He has been credited with being the author, or alternatively the designer of the important woodcut illustrations, of the Hypne...

The Imperial Eagle Again

At the beginning of the thread "the 5x14 Theory: An Investigation Part II" Huck and Ross were discussing the issue of the stylized eagle that appears on the CY and PMB Emperor's Hat and Empress's shield. I was interested in discussing the Michelino, so I ignored that discussion. Now I'd li...

Re: two emperors in the wheel

Very interesting posts. Alberti seems like a really seminal figure for the tarot. In his theories of architecture and perspective, he was in part a follower of Pythagoras, for which there is a substantial literature, some of it on the Internet. Hence perhaps the even 20 in the Philodoxus. If he may ...

Re: The Popess

For 1 and 2, I don't think explicit documents or pictures linking the image on the card with a particular interpretation (Church, Isis) are necessary, for reasons already stated. I also don't think they are necessary for the other hypotheses, although they are evidence. I have my doubts about the va...

Re: The Popess

R.A. Hendley wrote This means the Whore of Babylon or Pope Joan could trump the True Pope in play. I just can't imagine it. Also, in some regional orders Mrs. Pope is not the lowest of the Papi. I think that in decks with four papi, or even two, they are not differentiated into Pope and Popess. So i...

Re: The Popess

Loredan: yes, thanks for the mitre. But wasn't Sister Manfreda probably an abbess before she took the title of popess? Her order wasn't big enough to have cardinals. So I don't see a problem, at least as regards the PMB card. The abbess staff reinforces her interpretation as Manfreda. The Cary Sheet...

Re: The Popess

hanks for your thoughtful comments, Marcos, and also the links. Now we can go deeper, hopefully. mmfilesi wrote, Is a Popess or a Bishop? Yes, I know that some people think it's a bishop, because of the crozier and because of the chess analogy. I could have said more. There is the 16th century Budap...

Re: The Devil

Yes, I knew about Spendio and Machio, thanks to Ross. I was correcting something I said earlier, that I'd read that the captives had something to do with Hercules; I was trying to say that when I traced the Hercules reference down, I found out that the pair that fought Hercules weren't Spendio and M...

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