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Re: Petrarca Trionfi poem motifs in early Trionfi decks

(The reason cum doesn't make sense in this line is because the verb Abdidit should be in the subjunctive, in classical Latin at any rate.) I think I spoke too soon again! After re-examining the grammar of Latin cum , I think I was quite wrong here: I think the indicative verb Abdidit does indeed ma...

Re: Petrarca Trionfi poem motifs in early Trionfi decks

I think it's clear that an Italian manuscript was taken to France, possibly by Robertet himself, which contained the six images and the accompanying Latin quatrains in a wording which was exactly the same as in the Modena manuscript. We can be fairly certain of this because all of the wording in th...

Re: Petrarca Trionfi poem motifs in early Trionfi decks

Thank you very much Mike! That comparison is extermely helpful. You missed a few things here and there, like variations in the second line of the Time quatrain, but on the whole it's wonderful work. And I'm glad you finally looked at mss. 5065/12424! I had already pointed them out twice, and provide...

Re: Petrarca Trionfi poem motifs in early Trionfi decks

Thanks for the reference on Latin elegaic couplets. About them I now know at least that I know nothing, which is at least better than just knowing nothing. Well, if you read that webpage which I linked as the reference there, you will know quite a lot about them. In fact, you will know virtually ev...

Re: Petrarca Trionfi poem motifs in early Trionfi decks

Just a couple of quick points because I once again have absolutely no time (I shouldn't even be doing this but it was an irresistible opportunity to procrastinate): suppeditare is actually another bit of non-classical Latin in the quatrains. The first meaning given for this verb in The Dictionary of...

Re: Petrarca Trionfi poem motifs in early Trionfi decks

I thought I would share with you my favorite example of the vincits—which is also one of the earliest dated examples, ms. Varia 3 in the Biblioteca Nazionale Centrale in Rome, from the year 1444. This is what seems like the most classic type: they are all on one page, assembled in a very elegant way...

Re: Petrarca Trionfi poem motifs in early Trionfi decks

A couple of small corrections to my last post: The dating of the manuscript Strozzi 171 seems to be a matter of some dispute. Michele Barbi ( La Vita Nuova , 1907, p. LXXIV ) thought it was from the second half of the 15th century. The date given on the Petrarch Exegesis website, namely "early-...

Re: Petrarca Trionfi poem motifs in early Trionfi decks

Thanks Ross. I was not aware that the Estense had digitized the entire manuscript and made it available online (the two copies are probably due to the two different call numbers that Estense manuscripts usually have; the alfa one seems newer). It was not available online in January this year: I had ...

Re: Petrarca Trionfi poem motifs in early Trionfi decks

It seems to me that if a drawing perhaps uses a motif in a ms. of 1508, it might have been done later than 1509. Trapp simply means that the 24461 drawing draws on some Italian image similar to the one in the manuscript of 1508, not that it is a direct copy from that particular manuscript. As he sa...

Re: Petrarca Trionfi poem motifs in early Trionfi decks

Thanks Mike. I should look through the Inventari dei manoscritti delle biblioteche d'Italia myself at some point, there could be something interesting there. There are several other, similar inventories that could yield something interesting too. The Friuli and Cortona mss were known to me, but not ...

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