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by SteveGus
20 Jul 2017, 03:52
Forum: The Plush Parlor
Topic: Etteilla Translation?
Replies: 9
Views: 22257

Re: Etteilla Translation?

IIRC, all of Etteilla's divinatory meanings are given in English in Bill Butler's Dictionary of the Tarot, 1970s vintage.
by SteveGus
20 Jul 2009, 20:54
Forum: The Researcher's Study
Topic: Why this number of trumps?
Replies: 36
Views: 44950

Re: Why this number of trumps?

When you add a separate suit of trumps to a playing card deck, it would seem to me that probabilistic and gameplay issues constrain their actual numbers. You don't want the trumps to be so rare that each one becomes an automatic I-Win card. You don't want them to be so many that they overwhelm the o...
by SteveGus
09 Jul 2009, 18:29
Forum: The Researcher's Study
Topic: Date of Invention
Replies: 36
Views: 40635

Re: Date of Invention

It's almost certain the the Minchiate was derived from tarot. The difference between the decks is that the additional cards were all added... as a singular unit... into the pre-existing tarot deck. On the other hand, wouldn't the presence of an "Eastern Emperor" in the Minchiate deck cap ...
by SteveGus
26 Jun 2009, 01:43
Forum: The Researcher's Study
Topic: The building blocks of Tarot History
Replies: 151
Views: 78067

Re: The building blocks of Tarot History

If there is an order, or at least a series of smaller orders, based on the notional content of the card images, then it seems to me that, at minimum, some sort of significance to that order, even if the eighteenth to twenty-first century magical or mystery traditions exaggerated the level of sophist...
by SteveGus
25 Jun 2009, 15:34
Forum: The Researcher's Study
Topic: The building blocks of Tarot History
Replies: 151
Views: 78067

Re: The building blocks of Tarot History

If we are agreeing that the card images are based on the trionfi tradition of allegories, that would appear to indicate that there is some significance to their sequences. But from what we can tell of the trionfi tradition, it seems that those sequences were originally at the beck and call of the li...
by SteveGus
30 Apr 2008, 06:11
Forum: The Unicorn Terrace
Topic: The Attitude of No Symbolism or Secret System.
Replies: 20
Views: 12568

Re: The Attitude of No Symbolism or Secret System.

That's closer to the point I was trying to make. I doubt that Loteria and Tarot are connected, or if they are, the connection is tenuous. And there is some kind of order of cosmological precedence in the Tarot trumps that does not seem to be present in the Loteria icons. Still, Loteria is a collecti...
by SteveGus
29 Apr 2008, 19:42
Forum: The Unicorn Terrace
Topic: The Attitude of No Symbolism or Secret System.
Replies: 20
Views: 12568

Re: The Attitude of No Symbolism or Secret System.

The argument of no symbolism: has anyone ever considered the relationship between the tarot trumps and the Mexican game of Loteria ? Loteria is a gambling game similar to bingo, played with cards upon which a matrix of iconographic images are displayed. A banker draws from a deck of cards bearing im...
by SteveGus
20 Apr 2008, 23:45
Forum: The Unicorn Terrace
Topic: The Attitude of No Symbolism or Secret System.
Replies: 20
Views: 12568

Re: The Attitude of No Symbolism or Secret System.

It seems to me to be fairly obvious that there was some kind of meaning, or at least rationale, to the choice and order of the images. Much is made of the several historic variants in ordering, but they have much more in common than they differ. They all begin with the Fool or the Mountebank, follow...
by SteveGus
18 Apr 2008, 15:39
Forum: The Unicorn Terrace
Topic: Tarot and The Church
Replies: 51
Views: 40789

Re: Tarot and The Church

This thread is split from this discussion on the Chariot: http://forum.tarothistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&p=288 I personally find it hard to understand why people do not understand that at the time of Tarot's birth, the people who played games were Catholic. Not Neo platonic, Humanists or even...