Hello Robert, François Bourlion acted as card maker from 1753 to 1770 in Marseille France. He has a son who followed his way. :arrow: BnF web site for exemples of cards. About Chosson, at this stage, I can't say that this precise back design automaticly connect him to this period: A backs design chr...

Mon ami, I think we are dangerously going out the topic in spite my efforts :oops: So, I have to resist to all your Macho weapons and as I am a French, it is hard not to reply. I will ask to my Sicilian Colleague Rocco S.....i to put all his arguments "on the table" as to calm your warm in...

Dear Michele, Yes I was rahter busy but not with your Sacred Images that anyway I examinated carefully :roll: I would say that I vote for backs rather than front of this pretty things. To go back to... backs of cards, I still think that it is possible to date with this information. But it is a long ...

Hi Michele comme ça va ?,

Joseph Chafard 1747 deck has same back.
Jean Payen 1743 deck also.
François Bourlion 1768 also

Backs are a good way to date but only an expert as let's say Depaulis could trace all decks (he is expert in TAJAN Paris auctioner and has a long experience).

Yves

Hi Ross :D OK OK I follow your advise and wait a little for my blade... Personnaly I would have open the book :mrgreen: But I am too passionate I know I know. This is what say my wife ;) History is made of destruction, reconstruction, speculations and cycles. Our best discoverys are in front of us i...

Hi Ross, Yes it is what I think at this stage. I also thought (but I think I am wrong) that, as to save paper (expensive material at this time) some card makers did used reverse side of not yet colored cards. I remind all (for new comers only of course ;) ) that cards were made of three or four shee...

I checked on Pierre Madenié some cards: L'Ermite is in background of L'Etoile L'amoureux is background of Le Mat Queen of Sword is background of Bateleur And all are reversed. At this stage I can't say that details differs from original (i.e Ermite backgroud trails compared to Ermite original colore...

You means that only THIS card (Empereur) shows this trails in Noblet BNF ?

You means also that trails differs from official card desingn (colored parts I means) ?

For Pierre Madenié I confirms that MANY cards have this trails.
And with another card trails in background.

Yves

Hi Jean Michel and all crew, Ha ! ha ! you noticed a really interresting printing detail :!: When I was lucky enough to examinate during my last Swiss sejourn Pierre Madenié 1709 deck; I also noticed same "ghost traces". I discussed this with Jean Claude Flornoy and we thought that may be ...

Hello all, I had same problem of identification with 4 old cards some months ago. Same period and type. My only personal solution is to: Step 1: Collect all cards of Museums who sell, give permission after accreditation. Collect original cards and or Fac Similés. Collect Exposition or documented Cat...