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Re: origin of the word "Bagat"

Ross wrote, So, a hypothetical bagatella in Florence, then turned masculine in Bologna at some point - Bagattino (Pedini ms circa 1600), Bagat.. In Ferrara it kept its original name, which goes back to the first generation. I have been puzzling about that for a week, as I still think bagatella is mo...

Re: From Marziano to the Cary-Yale and the Ludus Triumphorum

Huck wrote The argument was about the point, that Apollo/Artemis had some water connection. I think, one needn't Diodorus to recognize that. I was replying to your comment: However, Diodorus, in 2.47 states clearly that Leto was born in Hyperborea and not in Kos.[2] and the rest of what you said, wh...

Re: Dating the Pavia tarocchi appropriati poem (a.k.a. the "Susio" poem)

The reason I brought up the issue is in relation to whether physical beauty, defined as a possession of the young, and not someone of age 44, is enough to justify excluding certain women from the top spots and therefore narrow down the date range for the poem's composition. I didn't get the impressi...

Re: Dating the Pavia tarocchi appropriati poem (a.k.a. the "Susio" poem)

Very nice job, Nathaniel, well thought out and written. I would like to have seen more argument for why the ranking would follow the conventions of a beauty contest. That seems more of an assumption than an evidence-based position. I vaguely remember reading that in one case, where the women at the ...

Re: From Marziano to the Cary-Yale and the Ludus Triumphorum

Huck wrote, The PMB-14 has according my suggestion 6 Petrarca-Trionfi and 8 other motifs, but no "four virtues". Martiano suggests 4 virtues connected to Jupiter-Apollo-Mercury-Hercules. A 4x4-grid (used by Marziano) naturally fits well with a wheel of Fortune and its four directions, but ...

Re: From Marziano to the Cary-Yale and the Ludus Triumphorum

Two other points in Dummett's article quoted in my previous post are worth considering, too. First, after continuing to reject the idea of the PMB having originally just the 14 "first artist" cards (because of the presence of Justice, as he thought the card was), he adds (p. 75): We know, ...

Re: From Marziano to the Cary-Yale and the Ludus Triumphorum

What your chart comes to is that two of the three groups that are in the earliest tarot are also in Marziano, namely the four virtues and the six petrarchans. Another that might be there is the Wheel of Fortune, represented by the four gods corresponding to riches. However, some of them are a stretc...

Re: origin of the word "Bagat"

Conclusion of previous post However Parenti has an important addition to Ghinassi. He observes (pp. 72-73) I give the footnotes only once, since they are much the same. There is one sentence that needed translating, in note 63, which I put in brackets after the English): ...il valore di 'inganno' di...

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