Re: French Queens

#11
Yes Cadla, me too.

Well, in the south of France we have this at the beginning of the fifteenth century

a) A tradition of courtly love (begin with Eleanor of Aquitaine).

b) During the Crusades, many nobles of southern France murder. Widows had a power unusual for the time.

c) We can't forget the weight of the Cathars or Albigenses, where women are better treated than in Christianity. Although the Cathars were disappeared, something of their culture due to remain in Languedoc.

d) There were many Jews too, and they respected much the women (more than Christians in this time).

e) Arround 1400, in the south of France we have two weak kings with two strong women:

Charles VI (mad since 1392) and Isabella of Bavaria (although at the time was considered a wanton witch).

Charles VII and Johana d'Arc.

f) Ch. Pisan.

Its enough to explain that the queen didn't disappear from French decks, as succeeded in Germany and Italy (in the normal playing cards)? or we must think in the influenced of the tarot (and another topic of discussion would be the the strange female presence of women in the tarot).
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Re: French Queens

#12
mmfilesi wrote:
Its enough to explain that the queen didn't disappear from French decks, as succeeded in Germany and Italy (in the normal playing cards)? or we must think in the influenced of the tarot (and another topic of discussion would be the the strange female presence of women in the tarot).
Well, it's a question, what sort of France one is talking of ...

Burgundy 1361 - 1543
http://www.emersonkent.com/map_archive/ ... 1_1543.htm

France 1360
http://etc.usf.edu/maps/pages/300/344/344.htm

France 1380
http://etc.usf.edu/maps/pages/6800/6881/6881.htm

France 1415-1435


France 1429 (Jeanne d'Arc)
http://www.maisonstclaire.org/maps/hund ... e1429.html

France 1477 (fall of Burgund)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 477-fr.svg
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