The 5x14 Theory: An Investigation, "part II"
"Part I" happened in the Tarot History Forum of Aeclectic - more or less it had been a quite inspiring talk between MikeS and me (though some other also contributed). Mike followed my invitation to the History Forum, thank you for this, Mike.
The topic had two major lines, one was me giving a sort of introduction to the 5x14-theory (with the original title "the 5x14-theory and the 3 limumaries", if I remember correctly), which actually started itself in "Greek statues" , but Michael thought it a good idea not to flatter this article and I agreed forming a new article with the quote of our both recent texts, which did lead to the new topic. This became the start of a problem ... not really between me and MikeS, we were really pleasant in our researches. Beside that there was another topic in silence "also involved", something about birds in the Michelino deck, and for not confusing everybody, I took the decision to present some sidepath findings inside another thread about "German birds", whereby I've to say that some persons seem to get nervous when they hear the word "German" or read "untranslated German" in an English Forum ... that's already an earlier problem. And, another problem, the eagle was too big, he didn't fit with the computer window.
A nice eagle, very big, a socalled Quaterionen-Adler, who presented a sort of heraldic dictionary and was used variously, even at Bier-Humpen of considerable dimensions, ca 3-4 liter. The interesting part, however, was, that the Quaterionenadler parted the German world in groups of 4, and another point, in a matrix 4x12=48 and 48 had been the number of cards in German decks (for instance the Hofämterspiel). Additionally there are the German "trumps" 7 Kurfürsten + 1 Emperor inside the Quaterionen-Adler, that all forming an interesting observation inside our playing card observatorium. Really a theme for itself.
Of additional interest it is, that the topic Quaterionen became of interest in Germany in 1422 (there exists a poem of this time, but the structure was then not 48 + 8, but 36 + 8). 1422 and 1424 (time of the Michelino deck and with the Michelino deck the birds) were near to each other, so the observation was really of interest, especially, as inside the accompanying discussions about Michelino deck also the name "Alain Chartier" had been fallen, and Alain Chartier had many journeys, was in Germany, Italy and even Scotland and could have gathered a lot of informations. Especially he had at least also a letter contact to Filippo Maria Visconti, and he was a poet and as a poet he had written about unsatisfied love and the central theme of the Michelino deck is "unsatisfied love" with the central figure "Daphne". And Chartier had written at least two texts with a little bit Quaterionen-character, "Les Quatres Dames", and another one, in which the major figure "Dame France" is surrounded by representations of the 3 ranks of society.
So .. this all was very interesting. On the same way, as already indicated above, I attempted to locate a special observation on the Cary-Yale deck outside of the 5x14-thread, which had the name "birds in Cary-Yale" or so, which was as a theme also extractable - just my opinion. But these threads have their own logic, inside the 5x14-topic Mike asked a question or gave an opinion about Bembo as the painter, I answered that there are also other opinions and mentioned the Zavattari brothers, myself then researching the web for the relevant informations and I found interesting (and very inspiring) contexts to the time of production of paintings in a Monza church (1444 - 1446), to Theodolinda (as later perceived: an ancestor of Filppo Maria Visconti) and the presence of Theolinda's husband in the genealogy of Visconti (made by Michelino).
Then I found a story about a bird (a dove) and another story about a sea-monster, which I tried to decipher, finally coming to the conclusion, that the sea-monster is the origin of the Visconti-snake and the dove the reason for the dove in the Visconti heraldic. Mike had his own escapades and I hope he liked it and we had a splendid time feeding ourselves with the considerations of the other. In the meantime even Shakespeare was considered, who wrote a poem about a turtle (dove) and a phoenix. And even marshall Boucicaut and his red eagle and the Battle of Azincourt and the Battle of Patay.
But somebody didn't love this ... the eagle was too big. Perhaps the picture had a virus (a picture of Wikipedia). The people (readers) are confused. Why do we talk in the 5x14-thread about birds, when a Visconti-bird thread exists? The pictures were reduced to a link (who cares). The name of the thread was changed (who cares). Then he started to move threads, filled the Visconti-birds-files in the 5x14-thread. This I really didn't love, cause I wish to find the things, where I've put them. I clearly gave signs, that I didn't love that. I spare the details.
Now we proceed here ... but this thread seems to be wandering thread ... .-) Alright, this as an introduction and life in its humorous meandering ... .-)
hi Mike, to your sceptic about the Zavattari-brothers ...
Storia di Milano give this;http://www.storiadimilano.it/Arte/minia ... 0Zavattari
Zavattari is taken as an alternative to the Bembo-explanation. Another explanation go to a relative of Bembo, cause the whole family were painters. Bembo himself is 1441 rather young, and he is noted first in 1446.
The pictures in Monza and on the cards differ, but a miniature is technically not the same as a fresco. Naturally the fresco should look better.
This for short, I've to take a nearer look at your contributions.