Re: Uranos

Huck wrote:
07 Apr 2020, 12:21
Uranus? Try this instead:

Aion, god of the ages, in a celestial sphere decorated with zodiacal signs, between a green and a dismantled tree (summer and winter). Before him is the mother-earth Tellus (Roman Gaia) with four children, the four seasons personified

Again, are you ever going to offer a connection to Marziano's text with these free associations of yours?

At least the Parabiago plate is in Milan:


Re: Uranos


... :-)
"Central part of a large floor mosaic, from a Roman villa in Sentinum (now known as Sassoferrato, in Marche, Italy), ca. 200–250 C.E. Aion, the god of eternity, is standing inside a celestial sphere decorated with zodiac signs, in between a green tree and a bare tree (summer and winter, respectively). Sitting in front of him is the mother-earth goddess, Tellus (the Roman counterpart of Gaia) with her four children, who possibly represent the four seasons."
... shown inside the article Uranus, "English wikipedia"
... underlined with "Aion-Uranos"

:-) ... I would assume, they had a mosaik and there was no name on it.

Hercules the Astronom

Somebody might ask, why I call Hercules the "Astronom". Hercules started this career as astronom at a very early state of his development ...
The Greek name for the Milky Way (Γαλαξίας Galaxias) is derived from the Greek word for milk (γάλα, gala). One legend explains how the Milky Way was created by Heracles when he was a baby.[2] His father, Zeus, was fond of his son, who was born of the mortal woman Alcmene. He decided to let the infant Heracles suckle on his divine wife Hera's milk when she was asleep, an act which would endow the baby with godlike qualities. When Hera woke and realized that she was breastfeeding an unknown infant, she pushed him away and the spurting milk became the Milky Way.

Another version of the myth is that Heracles (Roman Hercules) was abandoned in the woods by his mortal parents, Amphitryon and Alcmene. Heracles, son of Zeus and Alcmene, was naturally favored by his father, who sent Athena, Greek goddess of wisdom, to retrieve him. Athena, not being so motherly, decided to take him to Hera to suckle. Hera agreed to suckle Heracles As Heracles drinks the milk, he bites down, and Hera pushes him away in pain. The milk that squirts out forms the Milky Way.
A competing milky way story involves the Roman goddess Ops (Greek Rhea) and her husband Saturn and Jupiter.
A story told by the Roman Hyginus in the Poeticon astronomicon (ultimately based on Greek myth) says that the milk came from the goddess Ops (Greek Rhea), or Opis, the wife of Saturn (Greek Cronus). Saturn swallowed his children to ensure his position as head of the Pantheon and sky god, and so Ops conceived a plan to save her newborn son Jupiter (Greek Zeus): She wrapped a stone in infant's clothes and gave it to Saturn to swallow. Saturn asked her to nurse the child once more before he swallowed it, and the milk that spurted when she pressed her nipple against the rock eventually became the Milky Way.[12]
All versions from

Variously Herakles-Hercules is related to the number 12 or 13 to honor the Meton cycle, which sometimes has 12 and sometimes 13 months. And at the 4th day of each month Herakles had birthday (that gives 12-13 birthdays each year) and each 4th year was a Herakles-year and this was used for the Olympic Games, which naturally were also invented by Herakles. And the 12 works for Hera probably have also some astronomical meaning, although nobody knows, which. Herkles is the 13th in the circle of the 12 Olympic gods, which means, that he is actually the center of the astronomical circle.

Re: Uranos

The picture had for myself only decorative function.
Vollmar Wörterbuch Mythologie (1874) has nothing about Aion. In that time the terminus "Aion" wasn't part of mythology. The kleine Pauli has more, but this is not fixed on mythology. That, what the article describes, is mostly also not mythology, but some parts are near to it. An Aion for instance is called a city god of Rome and Alexandria, with the intention to guarantee that Rome and Alexandria will be great a long time. We in our electronic world could claim the Aion of internet with the same right ... or that of the mobile phone. Why not. Or that of Nike, the Turnschuh. Whatver one insists to give some fame to. Well, Fama or Pheme or Ossa.
That is somehow similar to Aiolos as the "trumpet with wings", which didn't find your admiration.
Aio-n and Aio-los, that's rather similar.

Gaia with Hera and Atlas and Ladon and Herakles

Gaia gave as present for the wedding of Hera and Zeus a tree with golden apples to Hera.
Hera planted the tree in her garden at the mountain Atlas, far in the West, where the sun goes down. There lived Atlas with herds of sheeps and cows. The Hesperids (daughters of Atlas in one version) got the commission to guard the tree. Hera had the impression, that the Hesperids weren't careful enough and engaged the serpent "Ladon" for the intensive protection. It had 100 heads and knew many languages.

A river god Ladon was the father of Daphne, which appears in the Michelino deck. This story stands in the competition with the version, that a river Peneios was the father of Daphme. A Peneios river exists at the Peloponnes and at Thessalia. I think, Ladon is the better version. That Ladon at the Peloponnese was a river god and Ladon at the mount Atlas was a serpent-monster I don't see this as a contradiction.
Actually it's of interest, if Filippo Maria would have liked the idea of the Serpent. I think he would:

I remember an old story out of longobardic times, in which this piece of heraldic was also involved with an event with a water monster. Queen Theodolinda, buried in Monza, was part of the story.

Ladon was in one version a parthogen child of Gaia. This would elavate Ladon to a high ranked brother of Uranos and Pontos. The common version is, that Ladon was a son to Keto and Phorkys, both children of Pontos and Gaia as Nereus, Thaumas and Eurybia.

Keto might have been a wale or a big fish, as here as the sea monster of Perseus and Andromeda.
Phorkys looks more manlike, but possibly with crab feet.
Herakles got the commission to fetch 3 golden apples of the tree. That became the 11th work.

Hercules tourism

11th journey


German wiki to "Cremona"
1406 fiel sie an Cabrino Fondulo, der mit großen Festen Kaiser Sigismund und Papst Johannes XXIII. empfing, letzteren auf seinem Weg zum Konzil von Konstanz. Er übergab die Stadt [Cremona] 1419 an Filippo Maria Visconti. 1499 wurde sie von den Venezianern besetzt, fiel aber 1512 an Massimiliano Sforza.
Cabrino Fondulo got Cremona in 1406, which had great feasts with emperor Sigismund and Pope John XXIII, before the latter took his way to Constance. Fondula gave the city Cremona to Filippo Maria Visconti in 1419. 1499 it got under control of Venice, 1512 it was taken by Massimiliano Sforza.

Cremona 2015 ... for-selfie
Two tourists in Cremona, northern Italy, are in hot water with police after breaking off a piece of the city's priceless statue of Hercules while trying to take a selfie.
The tourists had been climbing the 'Statue of the two Hercules' on Friday night when they involuntarily broke off a piece of the marble crown that sits on top of the monument, the Milan edition of Corriere della Sera reported.
By Sunday police had identified the two perpetrators. On Monday, technicians will assess the damages to the statue.
Situated under the portico of the 13th century Loggia dei Militi, the monument depicts two statues of Hercules holding a large shield. It is considered to be a symbol of Cremona itself, which is said to be founded by the mythological hero.
Completed in 1700, the statue was originally placed on top of the city gates before being moved to its current location in 1962.

"This isn’t the first time Italy’s monuments have fallen victim to careless tourists."

Cremona 1452
Angry Greek tourist approaching Cremona from the Eastern South.
Herakles got the commission to fetch the 3 golden apples of a tree, which was given to Hera at her wedding from her Granny Gaia. This was his 11th work from 10, but his boss hadn't accepted job 2 and job 5, so there had evolved a job 11 and job 12.
Herakles had no idea, where the garden of the Hesperids with the apple tree might be. Herakles crossed Macedonia and Illyria (nowadays Croatia and other rests of the earlier Jugoslavia at the Eastern side of the Adria), reaching the river Po at the Western side of the Adria. There he asked Themis and her daughters from Zeus (curiously here called "river-nymphae" .... ??? why) for Nereus, a god with oracle qualities, who had his home in or at the Po, but where? Cremona ? Pavia? A place, which would have interested Filippo Maria?
I had searched for "Herakles Cremona etc" with more or less nothing, but then with a dubious result "11 giant kings". Then I noted, that Herakles was not only in the 11th work in the Po-region, but also in the 10th.
So first nothing with Nereus for the moment ... what a pity ...

The destruction of Troy by Raoul Le Fèvre from 1708 has there details ... ts&f=false

The author of this piece of mythology of 1708 is ...
Raoul Lefèvre was the 15th-century French author of a Histoire de Jason (in 1460) and the Recoeil des histoires de Troyes (in 1464). The latter was translated and printed by William Caxton as the Recuyell of the Historyes of Troye, and was the first book printed in English in 1473-1474. Lefèvre was the chaplain of Philip the Good, the creator of the Order of the Golden Fleece, which was based on the classical Jason story.[1]
The Histoire de Jason is known from 20 manuscripts and 30 different printed editions, and was translated in English in 1477 by William Caxton, and in Dutch in 1485.
Pictures to these works: ... cat_3=1663

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