Re: John Shephard - Goldschmidt tarot

#41
http://www.genappe.be/presentation/villages/genappe-1
Vers la fin du XIIe s., les ducs de Brabant construisirent, sur la rive droite de la Dyle, un imposant château-fort. Un petit bourg se forme auprès de celui-ci et abrite des fonctionnaires ducaux et surtout des marchands.

La 1ère charte de franchise date probablement de 1211. Désormais, cette nouvelle ville (Nova Genappia) sera appelée Genappe alors que l'ancien village rural deviendra le "Vieux-Genappe".
Aux 13e et 14e s., cette petite ville prospéra; la nouvelle charte de 1302, octroyée par le duc de Brabant, donne aux bourgeois de la ville des droits relativement importants : exonération d'impôts, garantie de justice, autonomie de gestion. Il existe, à l'époque, une halle, un poids public, un lavoir et on signale la présence de prêteurs lombards.

La ville devient la résidence d'un chef-maïeur représentant le duc, dont la compétence s'étendait sur les localités environnantes; la ville elle-même était gérée par un bourgmestre et son collège échevinal.

La ville de Genappe fut partie prenante de la charte de Cortenberg conclue en 1312 entre le duc de Brabant et les principales villes du Duché, ainsi qu'à l'Alliance urbaine de 1355. A cette époque, siégeait à Genappe un tribunal connu d'abord sous le nom de "Cour de Genappe" et ensuite "Cour de Lothier". Ce tribunal avait compétence surtout en matière féodale.

Au XVe s. lorsque le Dauphin, le futur roi Louis XI, dut fuir la cour de France, il se réfugia auprès de son oncle Philippe le Bon, duc de Bourgogne. Celui-ci lui permit de résider au château de Genappe de 1456 à 1461. Le 17 juillet 1459 naquit au château de Genappe, Joachim, fils du futur Louis XI, qui ne vécut guère et mourut à l'âge de 4 mois et 12 jours. Il fut enterré en l'église Notre-Dame de Hal où un monument rappelle encore sa mémoire. En 1461, y naquit Anne de France, qui plus tard, avec son mari, le sire de Beaujeu, exerça la régence du Royaume durant la minorité de Charles VIII.
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https://www.google.de/search?q=chateaux ... fQXU&dpr=1

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There is not only one chateaux in Genappe ... it's difficult to decide if the relevant chateaux of Louis still exists or has disappeared.
In the time of Louis in Genappe the chateaux will have had an administrator, his wife etc.. If the Goldschmidt cards indeed were done there, one might suspect that such local persons of importance appeared in the illustrations. Such a composition is difficult to reconstruct.

Louis spend there a lot of his time on hunting and hadn't much else to do. Perhaps the falconer is just the guy who accompanied him.

Well, who knows ...
Huck
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Re: John Shephard - Goldschmidt tarot

#42
Here is a translation of the French:

"Towards the end of the twelfth century. The dukes of Brabant built on the right bank of the Dyle, an imposing castle. A small village is formed from it and houses of ducal officials and especially merchants.

The first charter franchise probably dates from 1211. Now this new city (Nova Genappia) will be called Genappe while former rural village will become "Old-Genappe".

In the 13th and 14th centuries, this small town prospered; the new charter of 1302, granted by the Duke of Brabant, gives the citizens of the city relatively important rights: tax exemption, guarantee of justice, management autonomy. There exists at the time a hall, a public weigh-station, a washhouse, and the presence of Lombard lenders is indicated.

The city becomes the residence of a Chef-Maïeur representing the Duke, whose jurisdiction extended over the surrounding localities; the city itself was run by a mayor and aldermen.

The city of Genappe was involved in the Cortenberg charter signed in 1312 between the Duke of Brabant and the main cities of the Duchy, as well as the Urban Alliance of 1355. At that time, a tribunal sat in Genappe known to first under the name "Court of Genappe" and then "Lothier Court". This court had jurisdiction primarily in feudal matters.

In the fifteenth century. when the Dauphin, the future Louis XI, had to flee the court of France, he took refuge with his uncle Philip the Good, Duke of Burgundy. This one allowed him to reside in the castle of Genappe 1456 to 1461. On 17 July 1459 was born at the castle of Genappe, Joachim, son of the future Louis XI, who barely lived and died at the age of 4 months and 12 days. He was buried in the church of Our Lady of Hal, where a monument still recalls his memory. In 1461, Anne of France was born there, who later, with her husband, the Lord of Beaujeu, exercised the regency of the kingdom during the minority of Charles VIII."

The part about Lombard lenders is interesting, a connection to Milan.

The lady on the card would have to be at least a duchess, given that she wears a crown. In fact the duke of Brabante at that time was Philip the Good himself. His wife was Isabella of Portugal, painted here by Rogier van der Weyden (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isabella_ ... f_Burgundy):
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But in that case the coat of arms would be that of Brabante, which has no castle on it, or else of Portugal, which also has no castle.

Interestingly, there is a painting of her at a kneeler; the lady in back, holding the 3-tiered crown, is St. Elizabeth:
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Alternatively, the lady could be Louis XI's daughter Anne of France, who was born in the castle at Ganeppe. She would have worn a ducal crown (married to the Duke of Bourbon) and is of some significance for both Louis XI and Charles VIII. Wikipedia writes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_of_France):
As regent of France, Anne was one of the most powerful women of the late fifteenth century and was referred to as "Madame la Grande".
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In that case, the second lady might be her younger sister, Joan. Again Wikipedia:
Her younger sister Joan became for a brief period, a queen consort of France as the first wife of Louis XII.
However since she doesn't have a crown, she wouldn't have been Louis XII's wife at the time.

I notice that the castle on the Genappe shield has turrets unlike those on castle on the card. Also, how ancient is that shield? I can't find a history.
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There is the old hypothesis that she is Anne of Brittany, who surrendered Brittany to Charles VIII in 1491. For Brittany I find this shield, I am not sure how old, but Wikipedia has it for the 12th century (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_r ... f_Brittany):
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That is closer to the image on the card than the shield of Genappe. I don't know if it was used after the 12th century, however.

Besides Anne of Brittany, who surrendered Brittany to France by her mariage ("willingly", except that Charles had conquered Brittany and imprisoned her first), there was Nicole of Blois, who sold her rights to Britanny to Louis XI in 1480 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_of_Brittany). That is another possibility.

Re: John Shephard - Goldschmidt tarot

#43
Well, you're back to Charles VIII and outside of Burgundy and Genappe, a hypothesis, which I don't think very probable.

France played cards very excessive than, thanks to printing technology. There's a report of a Milanese diplomat, who visited Charles VI before the Italian enterprise 1494, and he wondered, that the soldier played cards in the tent o the king in the presence of the king, who didn't complain about it.

I don't have any idea about it.
Huck
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Re: John Shephard - Goldschmidt tarot

#44
I stumbled about a not answered question of 2011:

mmfilesi asked:
In Il Mondo e il Angelo (pag: 73), Michael Dummett said John Shephard think the Goldschmidt tarot was made by Cesare Borgia around 1500.

Somebody know the argument of Shephard?
Ross replied:
It's not in his book, The Tarot Trumps (1985), so it must be in one of these papers in The Playing Card

"SHEPHARD, John. Goldschmidt sun XVI/2/37-40;
Goldschmidt Tarots XVIII/1/1-5;
Guildhall sun XVI/3/84-6;
Lance and the fountain; some variant forms of the World XVII/2/54-7;
His The Tarot trumps, Reviewed by T. D XIV/3/85-6;
Review of Kaplan's The Encyclopedia of Tarot Vol. II XVI/4/115-116"
It was in "Goldschmidt sun XVI/2/37-40"

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Ross stated then: "I'd like to read the review by T.D. (Thierry Depaulis), myself"

The first two sentences are not at the page and have not very relevant information beside the title ..
The Tarot Trumps: Cosmos in Miniature by John Shephard. The Aquarian Press, Wellingborough, 1985

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Re: John Shephard - Goldschmidt tarot

#45
Just assisting the discussion at ...
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1102&start=410#p17799

John Shephard, IPCS, The Playing Card, Vol XVII, 1988, pp. 51-54

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Michael Howard referred to this article ...
http://dummettsmondo.blogspot.de/

I personally prefer to see this as misleading, and I take it as the easier solution to assume, that the relevant cards and the relevant motto simply didn't exist before 1504 (when Isabella d'Este adapted the motto "nec spe, net metu").
Huck
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Re: John Shephard - Goldschmidt tarot

#46
Some Material to the Desana / Tozzini family question

1. The important person seems to be Ludovico II Tizzoni
http://www.repertoriumpomponianum.it/po ... izzone.htm
short English biography

2. Complex Italian book to the counts of Desana with special observation of the coin production
Memorie Storiche Dei Tizzoni Conti Di Desana E Notizia Delle Loro Monete
(by Cav. Costanzo Gazzera)
Stamperia Reale, 1842
https://books.google.de/books?id=L6dBAA ... navlinks_s

3. Italian Wiki to the Counts of Desana
Contea di Desana
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contea_di_Desana

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4. Location Desana, 8 km south-each of Vercelli

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Piazza del Castello

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Castello of Desana, backside

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https://www.google.de/maps/place/Piazza ... d8.3570988

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Desana, 8 km south-east of Vercelli

Vercelli was the place of the important peace negotiations in September 1495 between France and Milan (after the return of the French troops from Naples). Still there were some French troops in Novara and close to death cause of hunger.

Likely at this opportunity the poet Bassano Mantovano (writing in Milan) visited Vercelli and described a funny scene at a bridge near Vercelli in a poem, in which he used the word "Tarocus" (a word, which possibly influenced the words "Tarochi" and "Taraux", which were used in 1505 for Trionfi cards in Ferrara and Avignon).
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=502&p=6810&hilit=tarocus#p6810
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=610&p=9024&hilit=tarocus#p9024
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1074&p=16486&hilit=tarocus#p16486

The Desana rulers kept themselves to the state of Montferrat and later to emperor Maximilian. In 1515, after the second occupation of Milan, the Desana rulers lost their control of Desana for some time, their position was "against France".

5. The coins of Lodovico II
https://books.google.de/books?id=L6dBAA ... &q&f=false

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I don't see any indication of a dolphin in these coin productions

The known productions of coins with a crowned dolphin (as it appears in the Goldschmidt cards) are given to 1583:

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Conte Delfino I of Desana. who reigned 1583 - 1598, was responsible for this production. From this one can have the idea, that Delfino I created the motif, just cause he had the name.

6. Another Conte Delfino Tizzoni

However, this text indicates, that there was a person conte Delfino Tizzoni already in the 15th century ...

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https://books.google.de/books?id=v2toAA ... ra&f=false

The title conte of Desana is said to have existed 1482, this Dlfino of 1478 doesn't appear in the list of the signori of Desana. For the moment it's not clear, who this person "conte Delfino Tizzoni" was and how he relates to the other known members of the family.

7. A lot of questions

Generally there are a lot of questions about this Tizzoni family. Already this German text of c. 1760 ...

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... asked: ""Denn mein Herr beliebe nachzusinnen 1. Wer ist dieser Delphinus ... "

In short: "Who is this Delphinus?"
Huck
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Re: John Shephard - Goldschmidt tarot

#48
Don't know if it is of any relevance, nobody seems to have mentioned it as yet, but an anchor next to bishop is usually a symbol for St. Clement, the patron saint of sailors and of the city of Aarhus. The 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th (various sources differ) Bishop of Rome after St. Peter. (Far too late for our purposes, but the only thing I found on a search for St. Clement and Dauphin was for Pope Clement X, son of Venice noblewoman Victoria Delfin. And to the village of Saint-Clément-sur-Durance which is close to Mont Dauphin. A region part of the Dauphin stronghold from mid-13th century.)
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