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Nota bene

If the deck is to be of 1461, it would related to 1451 marriage with Charlotte de Savoie.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte_de_Savoie

She is , after Marguerite d' Ecosse the Dauphine of France and she'll become later Queen of France

The Castle represented on the Goldsmidt card may or may not be then be Genappe where the couple took refuge many years, it dosesn't change the fact that she is the dauphine of France.

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Le dauphin Louis de France, futur Louis XI, révolté contre son père le roi Charles VII et réfugié dans ses états du Dauphiné, négocie en secret avec Louis Ier de Savoie qui accepte de lui donner sa fille en mariage. Le contrat est signé le 14 février 1451, à Genève, chez les Franciscains6.
Le mariage est célébré le 9 mars 1451 à Chambéry, par procuration, puis le 2 avril à Grenoble7. Charlotte de Savoie a 6 ans (ou plus probablement 9, voir plus haut). L'âge légal du mariage des filles est fixé par l'Église catholique à 12 ans. Le dauphin Louis n'a probablement pas obtenu la dispense pontificale nécessaire à son union.
Pour fuir la colère de son père, Louis se réfugie avec sa jeune épouse à la cour de Philippe III le Bon, duc de Bourgogne, qui leur octroie le château de Genappe. Le mariage n'ayant pas été dénoncé, il est valide mais le premier des enfants du couple ne naîtra pas avant que la princesse fut nubile, c'est-à-dire à partir de 14 ans à l'époque.
Descendance
Elle donne naissance à huit enfants dont seulement trois ont atteint l'âge adulte : Anne de France (future Anne de Beaujeu et régente du royaume), Jeanne de France, future épouse de Louis XII et le futur Charles VIII. Louis XI veillera à l'éducation de son fils Charles, et Charlotte à l'éducation de ses filles
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Alain wrote ...
Do you have such a similar Crown and Tail on the Dasa coin?

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http://www.inumis.com/us/vso//italie-de ... 24395.html
talie, Desana (comté de), Dauphin Tizzone, liard au dauphin, 1583
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http://www.rhinocoins.com/ITALY/SEC1/DESA5.HTML
DELFINO TIZZONE CONTE 1583-1598
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LEGEND
DEL TIC CO DECIAN
VIC IMP PER
CROWNED H AND RING / CROSS
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Image in German book with heraldry signs, picture is given to "Desana" (location of the Tizzone family)

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There is not much, but it's closer to the Dolphin at the card than the Dauphine pictures. The Dolphin is indeed crowned.

Desana is a small location near Vercelli. It has a Castello.
https://www.google.de/maps/place/13034+ ... 03!6m1!1e1

Possibly a building once in the possession of the Tizzone family.

Around 1510 the region was under control of Habsburg. Emperor Maximilian gave the right to build a mint, an activity, which involves heraldry. When the French troops returned to Italy in 1515, the condition of the Tizzone family became bad. Possibly the reason, why I don't find earlier coins than from 1583.
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So...can the scientific analys give information about a:

1451 -1461 datation = Louis XI Dauphin of France
or
1510 datation Dasa noble Italian

50 years is a long time....

I remember a suggestion about mid XVth century ...

"The Playing Card: An Illustrated History" (Edition Leipzig, 1972), p. 80 n. 19) describes them as "Provence (?), middle of the 15th c.: So-called "Goldschmidt Cards". Handpainted, gilded, and punched background on parchment
... An expert opinion by the Doerner Institute of 21.6.1955 confirms the age of the pigments."
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"Desana", not "Dasa".

In the Dauphine coins the crown is not as clear as for the Desana coins.

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https://www.sixbid.com/browse.html?auct ... lot=700786
Louis XII (1498-1514) - Liard au dauphin - Angers
A/ (lis) LVDOVICVS FRANCORVM REX. Dauphin à gauche.
R/ + SIT NOMEN DNI BENEDICTV. Croix fleurdelisée cantonnée de deux lis et de deux couronelles.
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Yes maybe...
Needs checking.
But the motifs are present and there is the creativity of the artist...
I may be in error but taking the Card face value as iconography , I read the visual message as very simple :
the Dauphin Delphin being crowned
That's 1461 the Dauphin is crowned King


What about the datation of the Cards? This should make the choice between the 3 hypothesis clearer...

50 years is a long while -even if the pigments analys are not 100% sure...
They give mid XVTh cenry
That again points 1461
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