In a recent discussion MikeH asked something about Antonio di Dino and I replied ...
Then I discovered a new note, earlier not considered ....Huck wrote:mikeh wrote: I'd like to know how it is determined that this Antonio di Dino is a different person from the cardmaker Antonio di Dino that comes up in Franco's studies, starting in 1441 and making triumph decks in 1452.
Franco Pratesi agreed, that "Antonio di Dino" should be "Antonio di Dino Canacci".
The name form "Antonio di Dino" isn't so rare. In the web might be 4 (or 3) different Antonio di Dino at a comparable time.
One is the engraver, 1428 and 1441, apparently not a rich man.
Another one is part of a sodomy case, around 1437, if I remember correctly.
One is a banker, who works for the Medici (maybe since 1457). This could be identical to Antonio di Dino, the producer of playing cards, but also abacus boards (according Franco's documents, which he commented:
... )."The case of Antonio di Dino is somewhat particular, because the first time that we find him in book 12792 he did not supply cards. He was then mentioned as a maker and supplier of abaci, or counting frames (l. 2r – April 1442). Later on, we find him indicated on one occasion as a "tavolacciaio", maker of tables (12793, 25r – 1449)).
Apparently, his production corresponded to an intermediate level, not as expensive as the cards produced by Antonio di Simone, but not as cheap as those of Niccolò di Calvello, listed below.).
In the web there is Antonio di Dino Canacci, who owns an Abacus school and he's rather active with it (already around 1442, if I remember correctly). The Canacci family is not poor. It seems, that Antonio is a major heir, maybe around the 1450s. It might be, that Antonio di Dino leaves some time after this the playing card industry and becomes the banker.
Palazzo Canacci .... "Nel 1455 Dino di Antonio Canacci acquistò l’immobile di Antonio de’ Bardi ... "
http://wikimapia.org/16905586/it/Palazz ... a-Baldocci
In short, there's some doubt, if "Antonio di Dino" had been an engraver or cardmaker at all, but might be just a business man, who (also) dealt with cards and also dealt with abacus boards and "tables" and also organized the abacus school.
What we have from the silk dealers, is, that their Antonio di Dino appears first at 1439-09-11 together with Piero, a cardmaker. Then an "Antonio" appears and together with the already known Piero he dominates the supplier function for the silk dealers in 1439 and 1440 (as far we can see this).
Around the time, when Antonio di Simone appears in the silk dealer business 1442-05-02 "Antonio" disappears and "Antonio di Dino" comes back - in the lists. But possibly he was all the time present as "Antonio".
The new use of "Antonio di Dino" as name instead of "Antonio" might explain from the condition, that with "Antonio di Simone" it became necessary to differentiate between the both Antonio.
Cardmaker "Piero" disappears with 1440, but curiously reappears in 1451, after 11 years, with Antonio di Dino being present all the time till 1453.
Likely one has to interpret, that Antonio di Dino had been all time the business man, and Piero had been his cardmaker all the time, working for Dino, who just managed the sales as part of his greater business .
Antonio di Dino appears twice as the maker of "expensive decks" (totally 5 decks in the early Trionfi deck time of 1441), Grande cards with gold, 24 soldi.
In 1445-01-21 "Antonio" and "Antonio di Dino" appear both in a document, which is not clear (something looks as if it is remarked as "not true"). The document contains also a Trionfi deck for 25 soldi. That's 5th oldest Trionfi deck note we have.
But usually Antonio di Dino delivered decks for 5 soldi and Antonio di Simone delivered the more qualified decks for 9 soldi and Matteo Ballerini delivered the cheap decks (1-2 soldi), sold in dozens. This state was very normal till the begin of the 1450s.
In 1452 Antonio de Dino appears as a "sure" Trionfi card producer, as the second name, that we have from Florence, after "Giovanni di Domenico" in 1449.
Apprentice, I would think.Also, does "garzone" ("boy") here mean son, apprentice, or what?
That's my consideration. "2 (expensive) decks" went to Ferrara in 1434, and we don't know, who made them. These (again) might have been done by "Antonio di Dino" (the time difference from 1434 to 1439, when Antonio di Dino made playing cards, and to 1441, when he made "expensive playing cards", isn't so big).Then there is this Filippo di Marco, same last name as our dal Ponte (which is his trade name, for where his shop was), as well as 2 decks in 1434 I didn't know about. Franco (or is it Huck?) observes:I'd like to know more about the 2 decks in 1434, too. Where, when, who, what?In Filippo di Marco's productions the number of decks is not clear. So it isn't part of of the calculation. Two records refer to Florentine productions, which were sold to Ferrara (Imperatori cards in 1423, 2 other decks in 1434). These are not considered, cause they fit more with the generally expensive handling at the Ferrrarese court.
Another expensive deck went to Ferrara and it was made ...
1437-11-02 - 4 decks (20 Soldi) by Simone di Ser Antonio Fazi
... and this Simone di Ser Antonio Fazi might have been well the father of "Antonio di Simone", who started in 1442 to supply the silk dealers with the 9-soldi cards category.
Further I added this ...Huck wrote:Well, sometimes the web improves ...
The Building of Renaissance Florence: An Economic and Social History
Richard A. Goldthwaite
JHU Press, Oct 1, 1982 - Business & Economics - 459 pages
http://books.google.de/books?id=O_85aO3 ... ci&f=false
... and ..
... which seems to say, that just in the year 1438 Antonio di Dino Canacci had a "more important role" than usually. That's the year of the council in Ferrara.
If one assumes, that the 1434 decks were from Antonio di Dino, then we might expect business connections to Ferrara for him.
For the silk dealer lists we have him "active with playing cards" since September 1439, short after the council of Florence. But the silk dealer are very humble in the playing card trade, we cannot expect their books to mirror the full activity of Antonio di Dino with his greater ideas.
The astonishing thing about Antonio being prior in 1438, is, that nearly all other members of his family had many "terms" and seldom "prior-function", but Antonio has no terms at all and becomes immediately prior. And actually we have, that Dino had left the business of his father, as told before.
This seems to say, that Dino was extremely useful just in the year 1438, and this might be natural, if we assume, that Dino had the best business relations in Ferrara - at least better than those of other members of the guild.
The new notes contained the names of three sons of Antonio di Dino: Giovanni, Bartholomeo and Dino. As web material to Antonio di Dino is generally difficult to get I decided to research the sons instead. Sometimes one gets information about the father, when one knows something about his sons.
http://php.math.unifi.it/convegnostoria ... /ulivi.pdf
There are other places, in which a relation between Abacus and Antonio di Dino is given.
Start for the sons of Antonio di Dino Canacci
A first interesting result was this, mainly about a grandson, not a son ....
Education and Society in Florentine Tuscany: Teachers, Pupils and Schools, C. 1250-1500, Volume 1
BRILL, 2007 - History - 838 pages
http://books.google.de/books?id=KEYM7GX ... ci&f=false
According this Raffaele di Giovanni di Dino Canacci (* 1456) was a bad boy, but a good Abacus specialist. As abacus specialist he seems to have followed the ways of his grandfather.
At the end of the passage we meet the school, which once was owned by Antonio di Dino Canacci (1442-1445, reported lready before). Here it is suspected, that the location became a hotel later.
The next note is about Giovanni Canacci, son of Antonio di Dino. The scene takes place at 30th of March 1498, and it prepared the death of Savonarola at 23rd May 1498. Giovanni hated Savonarola:
Death in Florence: the Medici, Savonarola and the Battle for the Soul of the Renaissance City
Random House, Oct 31, 2011 - Art - 448 pages
http://books.google.de/books?id=KeJA7tg ... ci&f=false
Giovanni is also mentioned for 20th of May 1498 ...
.. and at other days in this matter. That seems to be the great story of his life, especially his contribution at 30th of March. I found this at many places.
A smaller entry finds him here:
The history of Italy...
J.Towers, 1753 - Italy
http://books.google.de/books?id=bCU2AAA ... 22&f=false
Franceso Guicciardini became then a great historian ...
..., the name Canacci is only mentioned once in his book. But Giovanni Canacci sat with Ficino on one table.
Giovanni Corsi (1506) wrote this about Ficino:
***************It is easy to appreciate how many friends he had and the kind of people they were from the dedications of his books, and also from the volumes of letters which, as I have stated earlier, were mostly brought together and put in order by Ficino's nephew. But among others who kept him intimate company almost daily were Bernardo Rucellai, Giovanni Canacci and Bindaccio Ricasoli. These were men of unimpeachable integrity and learning; in the words of the poet, 'the Earth has borne none more fair.'(53)
[53: Horace, Satires, I, V, 41.]
Bernardo was outstanding for his lofty spirit and his authority so that in the conduct of affairs his skill was second to none of his age. He was preeminent as a man of letters, and pure in speech. His was a free spirit, a slave to none. His respect for antiquity was remarkable. In short, there was nothing in the man that did not befit a patrician and a senator; but more of him elsewhere.
Canacci was serious in his ways, grave of speech, agreeably refined and very quick-witted; his character and way of life call to mind the Cincinnati and the ancient Serrani.(54)
[54: Cincinnatus was the surname of L. Quintius, who was summoned by the Senate from his modest farm to assume the office of Dictator when Rome was threatened by hostile forces. He returned to his farm when the danger had passed. Serranus was the surname of Attilius Regulus who was also summoned from his farm to public office during a period of crisis.]
Bindaccio had a calm and mild disposition, a very gentle manner and a most generous heart.
With these men Marsilio often used to discuss serious matters of philosophy, and sometimes he would jest and converse with them.
From a rough view through this text ...
Storia dell' Accademia platonica di Firenze
https://archive.org/stream/storiadellac ... 7/mode/2up
... I get the impression, that Giovanni Canacci had been a rather manifest member of the platonic academy.
Back to the father Antonio di Dino Canacci
I find a passage (p. 793-795), which puzzles me and it contains something about the father Antonio Canacci (if I interpret this correctly).
I need help here, I don't understand all and everything. I think, that a person Antonio d'Agostino da S. Miniato, called by Ficino always "Antonius Seraphicus Miniatensis", was born in 1433 (so the same age as Ficino himself) and had been during a hostile siege of Alfonso d'Aragon 1448 (Antonio and Ficino then both 15 years old) in Piombino and had made a poem about the event. Somehow he presented that negative poem about Alfonso in Florence in the house of Antonio Canacci.
Likely this had been short after the event of 1448?
In Footnote 2, Ashburn in 1698, speaks of his own adolescentia ... and then ends: Et che vieta nominarlo, che nè degno? El nome è Antonio Canacci ..." etc.
The whole seems to be a funny teenager story in the house of Antonio Canacci, which makes sense, if I assume that Giovanni Canacci and Ficino had been friends since youth (otherwise one wonders, how the funny story could take place there). And stayed it for their life. This would be an interesting fact, if it's true, and it would explain a few things.
I found another sentence about Antonio di Dino ....
Medieval Christianity in Practice
edited by Miri Rubin
Florentine Marriage in 15th century in 15th century
by Christiane Klapisch-Zuber
http://books.google.de/books?id=5_IBsUk ... 22&f=false
The text is interesting in itself. It seems to be a Medici marriage in 1432 (somehow it's forgotten to tell, who wrote the original story and who marries whom precisely). But Piero di Medici, son of Cosimo, is called a close relative. One gift (crimson velvet) was bought from Antonio Canacci, but was still not paid. Antonio worked also in the silk business.
A letter of Rinaldi Albizzi in 1429, which contains a note about "Antonio Canacci" in ...
Commissioni di Rinaldo Degli Albizzi per il Comune di Firenze dal 1399 al 1433: 1426-1433. 3
coi tipi di M. Cellini e C., 1873 - 862 pages
http://books.google.de/books?id=ZsSBc8C ... 22&f=false
"page 453 (in a letter to "Ormanni" in 1429)
"A Maso dico, per la roba della Susanna: come sarò costà farò il dovere a Antoni Canacci; e seio soprastessi, provederò a tempo, e non si potrà dolere."
further a snippet at page 630,under the top line:
"Debitore della ragione che dice in Maso"
"Antonio di Dino canacci setaiuolo, resta a dare, per ragione di drappi con lui. fior. 62, sol. 25, den. 6 a fior"
A note which has an "Antonio Canacci", but likely belongs to "Giovanni di Antonio Canacci" in ...
Cesare Borgia, figlio di Papa Alessandro VI
Filippo de' Nerli
1859 - Florence
http://books.google.de/books?id=55AxAQA ... 22&f=false
"Furono anche ne' medesimi tempi confinati nelle car-c ceri delle Stinche Antonio Canacci e Agostino del Nero, e a Ficino di Cherubino Ficiui, per alcune parole dette da lui in onore della casa de' Medici, fu per sentenza della Quarantla ..."