Question about 19th century catalog /bibliotheque nationale

[robert]

It's absolutely the Jean Noblet.

[Bertrand]

Good evening,

Description is wrong, this is not the anonymous but the Noblet.
edit : oops I didn't notice your answer Robert, sorry !

Bertrand

[Huck]

Jean Hemau is mentioned for 6 pages in this longer article ...

http://books.google.de/books?id=mz9FAAA ... au&f=false

... in
Mémoires de la Société des sciences, lettres et arts de Nancy
by Société des sciences, lettres et arts de Nancy (1851)

The article starts at page 51

[Huck]

I've this text in the book, that I just found from P. Boiteau d'Ambly
http://www.archive.org/stream/lescartes ... 2/mode/2up

This page has one Hémau selection -
http://images.bnf.fr/jsp/index.jsp
(type "hémau")



Seems to be the same set of suits, except "fruits" should be "bells".

I can't bring the both parts together. Maybe error of the author or the printer? Maybe the text of the Tarot de Hemau has only 3 lines?

[Bertrand]

Hello,

Maybe the text of the Tarot de Hemau has only 3 lines?

Indeed, only three lines from "Jeu de Tarots de Jean Hémau" to "les figures sont bizarres".
The beginning of the page is about a "Jeu de tarots italiens signé Matteo" from the end of the previous page, and "tarots imprimés avec les armes de Bavière etc..." begins an other deck description.

Bertrand

[Ross G. R. Caldwell]

It could be that these cards were cut and put into an album in the 20th century. D'Allemagne only knows of a single piece of evidence for Jean Hémau.

See H.-R. d'Allemagne, Les cartes à jouer du XIVe au XXe siècle (1906), vol. II, p. 614, n. 2:

Dans l'épaisseur d'une couverture de registre d'état civil d'Epinal, année 1647, il existe une feuille de moulage de cartes au nom de Jean Hémau, ainsi que des feuilles de tarotage; mais, malgré toutes nos recherches, nous n'avons pu découvrir la mention du nom de ce maître cartier dans les registres municipaux.

"In the stuffing of a binding of a civil register in Epinal, year 1647, there is an uncut sheet of cards with the name Jean Hémau, as well as some sheets of card backs; but, despite our all our investigations, we could not find the name of this master cardmaker mentioned in the municipal records."

Perhaps some of the tarotage (a generic term for decorated card backs) were patterned like those used for Tarots, so d'Ambly assumed that Hémau's cards were from a Tarot pack.

[Huck]

Interesting ... meanwhile there is considerable more material to Hemau. Started to work 1623, had a helper "Gerard".
But he's known far before d'Alemagne.

from 1819
http://books.google.de/books?id=MelMAAA ... al&f=false

from 1851
http://books.google.de/books?id=94sLAQA ... &q&f=false

from 1883
http://books.google.de/books?ei=7i6NT6L ... rch_anchor

[Ross G. R. Caldwell]

Thanks for the 1851 journal article. There is an actual new 16th century reference to Tarot in there (p. 70) -

"'Au sieur de Bourbonne, chambellan de Monseigneur, soixante escus sol qu'il a gaigné contre mondit seigneur, au jeu du tarot.' (Manuel de dépense faite par le Trésorier général de Monseigneur, pour 1582.)"
http://books.google.de/books?id=94sLAQA ... ot&f=false

"To lord de Bourbonne, chamberlain of Monseigneur, sixty ecus sol which he won against my lord, at the game of Tarot."

I'll get to the Jean Hémau material next - it makes it clear that it is not a Tarot, not this one at least.

[Huck]

Thanks for the 1851 journal article. There is an actual new 16th century reference to Tarot in there (p. 70) -

"'Au sieur de Bourbonne, chambellan de Monseigneur, soixante escus sol qu'il a gaigné contre mondit seigneur, au jeu du tarot.' (Manuel de dépense faite par le Trésorier général de Monseigneur, pour 1582.)"
http://books.google.de/books?id=94sLAQA ... ot&f=false

I'll get to the Jean Hémau material next - it makes it clear that it is not a Tarot, not this one at least.

... :-) ... so one can see, how good stupid questions are in research ...



Who is Monseigneur? Duke of Lorraine?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_II ... f_Lorraine
... a daughter married to the Gonzaga family,