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Re: Strength

Postby Huck on 14 Feb 2011, 22:50

pen wrote:Somehow, I've never found the idea that Fortitude is actually breaking the column convincing - it looks more as if she's holding it together (which would also sit more comfortably with the meaning of fortitude), although the break remains a problem.


Samson broke the column of a temple and caused the temple to collapse ... and also killed a lion.

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Re: Strength

Postby Pen on 15 Feb 2011, 08:38

Huck, please give me some credit for a basic background of general knowledge - I'm quite aware of Samson, Hercules - even Lysimachus. I know that lions are used as symbolism for anything from strength to magnaminity and ambition, and the column represents security and features prominently in the emblem for Audacity (1758-60 Hertel Edition of Ripa), as well as having connections with both Samson and Hercules. Symbolism is to some extent interchangable and depends on context.

All I'm saying here is that I think RLG has a point in questioning Dummett's dismissal of Fortezza as a literal translation on those early Italian images, and musing on a possible answer.

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Re: Strength

Postby Huck on 16 Feb 2011, 03:16

Pen wrote:Huck, please give me some credit for a basic background of general knowledge - I'm quite aware of Samson, Hercules - even Lysimachus. I know that lions are used as symbolism for anything from strength to magnaminity and ambition, and the column represents security and features prominently in the emblem for Audacity (1758-60 Hertel Edition of Ripa), as well as having connections with both Samson and Hercules. Symbolism is to some extent interchangable and depends on context.

All I'm saying here is that I think RLG has a point in questioning Dummett's dismissal of Fortezza as a literal translation on those early Italian images, and musing on a possible answer.

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Sorry, perhaps I should have taken my answer a little longer. Samson was used as an early picture of Fortitudo, and Samson broke columns, so broken columns were part of the iconographic program - without doubt. Naturally this doesn't exclude, that in other lines of the iconographic development also unbroken columns (or perhaps even columns, which were protected by fortitudo) were used and developed ALSO meaning.

For the Minchiate we've usually unbroken columns, as far I remember.

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So a card with a castle and signed with Fortezza might easily present a protecting function, why not? We've different producers with different ideas and opinions.
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Re: Strength

Postby Pen on 16 Feb 2011, 07:24

Thanks, Huck. This is good - I'd actually quite forgotten that the columns in the Minchiate were intact. I must read through the Minchiate threads again too.

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Re: Strength

Postby SteveM on 16 Feb 2011, 08:47

Huck wrote:Sorry, perhaps I should have taken my answer a little longer. Samson was used as an early picture of Fortitudo, and Samson broke columns, so broken columns were part of the iconographic program - without doubt.


Unbroken columns too, see for example Pen's post with image of Petrarch's triumph of Eros (2nd post in this thread) - Samson carries an unbroken column.
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Re: Strength

Postby mmfilesi on 16 Feb 2011, 16:38

Very interesting! Thanks, friends.
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Rota della Forteza

Postby Pen on 16 Feb 2011, 18:38

Another unbroken column from Huck's post on this thread.

It's from: Triompho di Fortuna (Triumph of Fortune): Frontispiece (woodcut printed in black and red ink)
Author: Sigismondo Fanti
Venice: Agostino Zani for Giacomo Giunta, 1526
Printed book with woodcut illustrations
13 3/4 x 9 7/16 x 1 in. (35 x 24 x 2.5 cm)

http://catalogue.ulrls.lon.ac.uk/search

(Found by mmfilesi)


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Forteza

Postby Pen on 16 Feb 2011, 20:37

By Sebald Beham. Her expression and posture don't exactly convey the impression of Strength or Fortitude - and the lion looks downright lecherous...

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Beham is best known as a prolific printmaker, producing approximately 252 engravings, 18 etchings and 1500 woodcuts, including woodcut book illustrations. He worked extensively on tiny, highly detailed, engravings, many as small as postage stamps, placing him in the German printmaking school known as the "Little Masters" from the size of their prints. These works he produced and published himself, whilst his much larger woodcuts were mostly commissioned work. The engravings found a ready market among German bourgeois collectors, but were not much seen in Italy. He also made prints for use as playing cards, wallpaper, coats of arms, and designs for other artists, including many designs for stained or painted glass. He also illuminated two prayer books and painted a table top (now in the Louvre ) for Cardinal Albrecht, Archbishop of Mainz.


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Re: Strength

Postby mmfilesi on 17 Feb 2011, 16:28

Ripa: "fortezza"

«Armed and dressed women fawn [orange] color this means strength to be like the lion, leaning against a column, because its the strongest part of a building and holding the rest».
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Re: Strength

Postby sembei on 01 Apr 2012, 21:51

Samson and the lion:

St Jean's church, Velluire, Vendée
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Vézelay Abbey
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Capitel de Sta María la Real (Aguilar de Campo)
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Stretton Sugwas church, Herefordshire
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Fontana Maggiore, Perugia (Nicola and Giovanni Pisano)
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A mosaic at St. Gedeon Church, Cologne:
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