mikeh wrote:Steve, I see the whip you are talking about; I assume you mean by the Pope's elbow on our our left (his right). It is very faint on the Conver, much less obvious than the knife (we can't use the Camoin-Jodorowsky as a guide to what the Conver looked like originally, they're not restorers in the art-world sense), but that doesn't mean it isn't meaningful. I don't yet see the lyre, or anything with four strings. Can you describe it more specifically?
SteveM wrote:mikeh wrote:Steve, I see the whip you are talking about; I assume you mean by the Pope's elbow on our our left (his right). It is very faint on the Conver, much less obvious than the knife (we can't use the Camoin-Jodorowsky as a guide to what the Conver looked like originally, they're not restorers in the art-world sense), but that doesn't mean it isn't meaningful. I don't yet see the lyre, or anything with four strings. Can you describe it more specifically?
The lyre is a stretch: lets stick with the indisputable, whether by accident or intent the lines are certainly there that if blocked in with a different colour would define a sickle and whip, both emblems of Castor/Apollo and Pollux/Heracles.
SteveM wrote:In the image here with the whip the lyre does not appear to be present as it usually is (as is in the image on the right where he is holding an arrow). Perhaps related to the myth that Apollo gifted his whip to Hermes/Mercury in exchange for the Lyre?
http://www.lindahall.org/events_exhib/e ... op_par.htm
E perciò Catullo in certo suo epigramma gli chiama fratelli Pileati, perche Pileo, che è voce Latina, significa capello in volgare. Pausania perimente scrive, che in certo luogo della Laconia erano alcune figurette Pileate, le quali ei non sa troppo bene se fossero fatte per gli Castori, (che sotto il nome dell'uno intesero gli antichi ambi i fratelli,) ma ben lo pensa. Ne lascierò hora di dire, che'l Pileo appresso de Romani fu la insegna della libertà, perciò che fu loro usanza, che quando volevano dare la libertà ad un servo gli facevano radere il capo, e gli davano à portare un capello. La quale cerimonia era fatta nel tempio di Feronia, perche questa fu la Dea di quelli, alli quali era donata la libertà, detti Libertini. Onde Plauto fa cosi dire un servo desideroso della libertà. Deh voglia Dio ch'io possa hoggi co'l capo raso pigliare il capello.
(And therefore Catullus in a certain epigram calls the brothers Pileati, because Pileo, that is Latin speech, means cap in the vulgar. Pausanias likewise writes, there were some figurettes Pileate in a certain place in Laconia, which he doesn't know for certain if they were done of the Castori, (for under that name was meant by the ancients the name of the twin brothers) but he believes it. Of it lascierò now to say, che'l Pileo I approach Roman de it was the insignia of liberty, therefore that it was their custom, that when they wanted to give liberty to a servant, they shaved his head, and they gave him a cap to wear. The ceremony was done in the temple of Feronia, because this was the Goddess of those to whom liberty was given, called Libertines. Whence Plautus says similarly of a servant desirous of his liberty: "May Jupiter [God, Catari says] grant, that this day, bald, with shaven crown, I may assume the cap of freedom." (AMPHITRYON ; Act 1, http://www.archive.org/stream/comedieso ... t_djvu.txt)
Paulus vero cum adhuc sustinuisset dies multos fratribus valefaciens navigavit Syriam et cum eo Priscilla et Aquila qui sibi totonderat in Cencris caput habebat enim votum.
(Douay-Rheims trans.: But Paul, when he had stayed yet many days, taking his leave of the brethren, sailed thence into Syria (and with him Priscilla and Aquila), having shorn his head in Cenchrae. For he had a vow.)
The Celts also worshipped Castor and Pollux; the 1st century BC historian Diodorus Siculus records that the twins were the gods most worshipped in the west of Gaul. An altar found at Paris depicts them among Celtic figures such as the god Cernunnos, as well as Roman deities such as Jupiter and Vulcan.
Indeed, among the Greeks and Romans such a custom was a badge of slavery. On this very account, the shaving of the head was adopted by the monks.
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