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Re: The Magician
Posted: 10 Feb 2010, 20:49
by Pen
robert wrote:
If you haven't already, you really should read this old thread:
http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=62044
It's endlessly long, but one of my favourite of all time, and chuck full of insights and interesting images... including a monkey on the bateleur's back. (Props to Rosanne on AT for that).
I will - thanks, Robert.
Pen
Re: The Magician
Posted: 11 Feb 2010, 15:59
by SteveM
A 19th century illustration from the Pilgrim's Progress:
Re: The Magician
Posted: 11 Feb 2010, 16:04
by Robert
Here's a colour version of an image also found on
Adam Mcleans's site, which describes it as "Joseph of Ulm. Manuscript painting 1404. Now in University of Tübingen Library. Possibly the earliest example of this emblem form.":
So, there's our bateleur in 1404, cups and balls on table
Re: The Magician
Posted: 11 Feb 2010, 16:59
by Pen
Cups and balls, and the man depicted as the same type as on the Hausbuch image - I love it. And it's Luna again too.
Pen
Re: The Magician
Posted: 17 Feb 2010, 20:40
by Pen
From
The Complete Woodcuts of Albrecht Durer, Dover Books.
Title woodcut to: WIE DER WURFFEL AUFF IST KUMEN (Nurenberg, Max Ayrer 1489. Schr. 5490). The cut shows the Devil tempting a knight to gamble, the outbreak of a quarrel at the gambling table punished by death on the wheel. Weisbach (p.16) was the first to propose Durer for this; he was followed by Seidlitz Pr. Jhrb.1907, p.4) and Weixlgartner did not object (Gr/Kste.1906, p.65). Stadler attributes the cuts to his Master of Kalenenberg.
https://imgur.com/LoEFAHp
Re: The Magician
Posted: 25 Feb 2010, 18:09
by Pen
Wonderful images from a post by mikeh
here. Slightly edited for this thread - hope that's OK.
The engraving of Luna (and her "children") is a copy of an earlier one, part of an earlier series, sometime 1460-1464, attributed to Baldini by Lambert (1998) and Finaguera by Hind (1938).
An interesting feature of this "children of the Moon" is that at least two of the three coins (or balls, or bubble blower) on the Bagatto's table are clearly joined together by string or wire, like on the Noblet Bateleur, and less obviously the d'Este card, but different from the Conver. (The dating of the d'Este card, I guess, should be c. 1475). The other "children of the Moon" that I have seen just have the objects, some of them touching, but with no sign of the string or wire.
Re: The Magician
Posted: 04 Mar 2010, 16:58
by Pen
From a post by EnriqueEnriquez in
this thread.
Re: The Magician
Posted: 30 Mar 2010, 04:12
by mmfilesi
Hi, friends.
What you do think? Its the same knife?
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El Bosco: Extracción de la piedra de la locura (1475-1480). Museo del Prado. Madrid
Hieronymus Bosch
Re: The Magician
Posted: 30 Mar 2010, 06:10
by debra
Oops. Editing out what I thought was a Brilliant Observation, having realized that I couldn't trust my eyes.
Re: The Magician
Posted: 30 Mar 2010, 14:42
by Robert
Well, it's
a knife!
The same knife? Who can say?
But... it wouldn't surprise me at all. I just finished reading a book on
medieval medicine,and barber/surgeons were also tooth-pullers (at least in England), and since we've seen the Children of the Moon image with the Bateleur pulling teeth, I'd not be surprised to find that a travelling man of this sort would have also performed some surgeries. I didn't realise until reading this book the entirely different professions of Physicians and Surgeons, and then the third member of the group.. the Apothecary.
