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The Magician

Postby robert on 12 Nov 2009, 21:58

A thread to discuss the iconography of The Magician
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Re: The Magician

Postby Pen on 10 Feb 2010, 13:02

From The Children of the Planets by the Hausbuch Meister - this is Luna. Wikimedia's image bank says the date is sometime after 1480.

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Re: The Magician

Postby SteveM on 10 Feb 2010, 13:13

Pen wrote:From The Children of the Planets by the Hausbuch Meister - this is Luna. Wikimedia's image bank says the date is sometime after 1480.


He appears to be a dentist : is the object in our juggler's right hand then not a coin, or an acorn, but a tooth:O
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Re: The Magician

Postby Pen on 10 Feb 2010, 14:15

Steve, you must be right. This is what happens when you allow room for amateurs on the forum! I think I'll leave it though, unless anyone objects - if nothing else it's an example of how easy it is to misinterpret an image. I know that somewhere there is an image from The Children of the Planets that shows a magician-like figure complete with table, objects etc. - I'll try to find it.

Or could it be that our tarot magician is really a dentist...? :fool

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Re: The Magician

Postby SteveM on 10 Feb 2010, 14:22

Pen wrote:Steve, you must be right. This is what happens when you allow room for amateurs on the forum! I think I'll leave it though, unless anyone objects - if nothing else it's an example of how easy it is to misinterpret an image. I know that somewhere there is an image from The Children of the Planets that shows a magician-like figure complete with table, objects etc. - I'll try to find it.

Or could it be that our tarot magician is really a dentist...? :fool

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There are pertinent elements to tarot imagery I think; this image has been discussed before, I am not sure if it was here or over at AT, i'll try and track down a link.
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Re: The Magician

Postby SteveM on 10 Feb 2010, 14:26

SteveM wrote:There are pertinent elements to tarot imagery I think; this image has been discussed before, I am not sure if it was here or over at AT, i'll try and track down a link.


Here is one:

http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=69753

and another:
http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=69709

Also, remember that bateleur also means acrobat, and there is one, he is performing inside the stall from which his act is advertised on the banner.
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Re: The Magician

Postby Pen on 10 Feb 2010, 14:54

Thanks for the links Steve. It seems it may not be so much of a misinterpretation after all - all his accessories are there - but the name mountebank is perhaps less misleading than magician. I think this image is the closest I've seen to the tarot image.

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PS. I think you must have added to your post while I was replying - yes bateleur, of course. And I found your interpretations of the other aspects of the mountebank's trade on the AT thread very clear and insightful.
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Re: The Magician

Postby Pen on 10 Feb 2010, 15:06

Re. the monkey on the back of the Fool-like figure to the left of the mountebank, I googled the expression 'a monkey on his back' and came up with rather an interesting article that connects in different ways to tarot and the character we call the Magician.

http://www.newagejournal.com/monkeyb.shtml

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Re: The Magician

Postby robert on 10 Feb 2010, 19:59

Pen wrote:Re. the monkey on the back of the Fool-like figure to the left of the mountebank, I googled the expression 'a monkey on his back' and came up with rather an interesting article that connects in different ways to tarot and the character we call the Magician.

http://www.newagejournal.com/monkeyb.shtml

Pen

If you haven't already, you really should read this old thread:
http://www.tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=62044

It's endlessly long, but one of my favourite of all time, and chuck full of insights and interesting images... including a monkey on the bateleur's back. (Props to Rosanne on AT for that).
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Re: The Magician

Postby robert on 10 Feb 2010, 20:03

One thing in the Children image that I find particularly interesting is the hat on the table:
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There is often a lot of talk about the Visconti magician, and what the object is on his table, and some suggest a hat. I think it is interesting that in this image there is clearly a hat on the table, and who does it belong to if not the bateleur?
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