Uncut sheet from Toulouse

#1
In Game of Tarot, Dummett mentions "an uncut sheet, showing twelve court cards which may come from a Tarot pack made in Toulouse, is in the Musée Paul Dupuy in that city." He mentions it when discussing existing 17th century decks along with the Vieville, anonymous Parisienne, and the Adam C. de Hautot. He says it is discussed in "B. Dusan, 'Cartes a jouer anciennes', the Revue archéologique du Midi, Vol. II, 1869, p.120, which I have not seen"
I found the article online here:
http://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/010363288
Click the link, Volume I and II are in the same PDF, so look towards the second half, about two thirds into the document.

Here are three screen grabs going over two pages showing the 12 cards, (click to enlarge).





I can't read the article as it is in French, but perhaps someone who can will give us more insight into the deck. I'm surprised to see it dated from the 17th century, and wonder if Dummett would have agreed if he had seen it? It's very much a Tarot de Marseille II style deck, and it would be interesting to compare it to the Chosson or Madenié.
The Tarot will lose all its vitality for one who allows himself to be side-tracked by its pedantry. - Aleister Crowley

Re: Uncut sheet from Toulouse

#2
Very interesting Robert, thanks.

I'll take a look at the article.

The first thing that comes to mind is that, if really made in Toulouse, it would be the only example I know of, of a Tarot made west of the Rhône. In other words, no Tarots known from Nîmes, Montpellier, Béziers, Narbonne, Carcassone, Toulouse, etc.

I don't think those cards can be 17th century, just by the orthography: "Roi", "Epee" "Baton", etc. It should be "Roy", "Espee", "Baston", etc.
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Re: Uncut sheet from Toulouse

#6
There's no indication that the wood-block comes from Toulouse, for the Tarot cards at least. Dusan indicates that he knows that the Tarot courts are younger than the Spanish suited cards he talks about and shows earlier:

"The lovely block belonging to M. Baldeirous, perfectly preserved, is clearly less ancient [than the Spanish-suited cards of M. Ducos]; its details show a transition of old types barely changed since Charles VII to types more recent. The King of Swords, the King of Batons still have the face entirely shaved like in the earliest time of the game's invention; but the beard of the other Kings indicates a time after François I, while their hairstyles and costume, as well as the armour of the Knight of Swords, the fit (or alignment) of the Queens, and the form of the letters, do not designate an era neighbouring the 17th century."
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Re: Uncut sheet from Toulouse

#7
Great !
A tarot pack from Toulouse would be an awesome find, but it seems necessary to track this mold.
As Ross point out and as the text notes, the letters might indicate a late deck, for instance there's a rounded letter U in the ROI DE COUPE. The King of Coins and the heels below several shoes remind of swiss decks, like Gassman.
I don't know of any written references to Tarot from the Toulouse region - contrary to Provence where references can be found dating back to XVIth or XVIIth century ( for instance http://books.google.fr/books?id=4Qk6AAA ... 22&f=false here in a text written in provencal), but I seem to remember some cardmakers families come from Agen which is not far.
To be sure we would also need occitan language translations of the cards names - if they existed at all.

Bertrand

Re: Uncut sheet from Toulouse

#10
In the article, there are two kinds of sheets of face cards; one (which I would certainly take to be newer) has names at the bottom, in French. Here is one card from the older block:
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and here one from the newer:
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I am not clear on the distinction between Spanish suited and tarot cards in this case. These cards actually don't look like either. Toulouse was part of the kingdom of Navarre, or some such thing, and I remember those cards as looking quite different, especially the coins. These have a look of the stylized kings and queens of French regular cards (the look of the cards we still play with today).

From the Hathi trust website, although you can't download an entire document without a subscription, you can download individual pages. This works fine for the present case, and allows much higher resolutions should they be wanted. I have not looked at the google books option.

The link to the Bourlion deck did not work but perhaps I can find it on BnF.

The link to the BM is to a sheet that looks like the "newer" sheet, the cards with the names at the bottom.

Many of the "older" card are marked M.G. Those are not the initials of any cartier on my list. They may be the initials of the worker rather than the capitalist.

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