An impressive galery of TdM2

#1
Hello

If you like TdM2, here is a pretty impressive galery of such decks - well trumps only, but yet not everyone had the opportunity to have access to so many ancient decks :
http://tarot-de-marseille-millennium.co ... iques.html
(the first one, Pierre Madenié's, is to be published in a few days by our friend Yves le Marseillais, which is an excellent news IMHO)
The TdM2 may not be the current trend - both for tarot historians and tarotomancers - still it's good to finally have access to such a ressource online.
(currently hosted on the tarot de marseille millenium's website, which doesn't belong to the subjects of the current forum - as a "whatever-tarot-collector" I"m not a fan though)

Bertrand

Re: An impressive galery of TdM2

#3
Thank you Yves - a great resource.

(All the years I have spent looking at the Tarot de Marseille cards - I only just notice that one of the Fools little bells has fallen off onto the ground.)
Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal; bad poets deface what they take, and good poets make it into something better, or at least something different.
T. S. Eliot

Ring the bell, ring the bell !!!.......

#4
SteveM wrote:Thank you Yves - a great resource.

(All the years I have spent looking at the Tarot de Marseille cards - I only just notice that one of the Fools little bells has fallen off onto the ground.)
:fool

Hello Steve and all,

Me too I sometimes still discover some "details" my brain did not integreted yet...
This little bells or sleigh bells (in french we say grelots) are an important detail for Le Mat of course.
Meanwhile some decks don't have this grelot laid on the ground.

Apart this, I am quite happy today because I received two days ago a sample/specimen of Pierre Madenié Fac similé I ordered two months ago:
We are very very close to perfection and I am confident to share this with my colleagues Tarot collectionners.
If all things goes well we have a chance to start selling process by the end of this year 2011.

May be for XMas feasts :ymparty:
I cross fingers....

Marseille is back in Tarot !

Friendly from France

Yves Le Marseillais B-)
Personne n'est au dessus de l'obligation de dire la vérité.
Nobody is above obligation to tell truth.

Re: An impressive galery of TdM2

#5
Dear Santa,

For Christmas this year I would LOVE to see the images from the Francois Heri Besancon, the one that matches Noblet. I promise to be a VERY good boy, please Santa, please, please please?
The Tarot will lose all its vitality for one who allows himself to be side-tracked by its pedantry. - Aleister Crowley

Re: An impressive galery of TdM2

#7
Wishing wrote:Impressive indeed!

Robert, I think we all have the same wish! Let's hope Santa treats us kindly this year :)
Hi Wishing, welcome to the forum!!

Well, maybe if we're both really good, we'll get our wish, especially with your username, how can we lose? :D
The Tarot will lose all its vitality for one who allows himself to be side-tracked by its pedantry. - Aleister Crowley

Re: An impressive galery of TdM2

#8
There is one sentence in the description of the Chosson that I would like some clarification on, as it pertains to an age-old question about the TdeM2. Referring at the beginning of the sentence to the period 1734-1736, the author says
Cette période correspond bien aux charactéristiques de ce Tarot, représentatif de la fin de la première moitié de la XVIIIe siècle (perte de détail et de rigueur graphiques, figurations tendant vers le réalisme, ou encore inversion de VI LAMOUREUX, de l'Arcane XIII et du II de Denier, ainsi que la preuve, aux yeux du présent auteur, que le Tarot de Pierre Madenié, Dijon 1709, fut l'un de ses modèles) et non du XIIe siècle, comme pourrait le laisser croire la date de 1672 qui serait (car la gravure est ébréchée) inscrite sur le II de Denier, lame sur laquelle sont traditionnellement le nom du maître cartier et l'année de la réalisation du jeu.
My machine-aided translation:
This period corresponds well to the characteristics of this Tarot, representative of the end of the first half of XVIIIth century (loss of detail and graphic rigor, representations aiming towards realism, or again inversion of VI LAMOUREUX, Arcanum XIII and the II of Coins, thus proof, in the eyes of the present author, that the Tarot of Pierre Madenié, Dijon 1709, was one of its models) and not of the XIIth century, as the date of 1672 could let one believe, which would be (because the engraving is damaged) registered on the II of Coins, card on which are traditionally the name of the master cartier and year of the realization of the game.
My questions:

What loss of detail and graphic rigor? I could use an example to make sure I understand. And why is that a reason for dating the deck later?

Why are representations aiming toward realism more characteristic of the first half of the 18th century than of the second half of the 17th century? We know that the c. 1650 tarots were not realistic, but how do we know that the change toward realism in the Tarot de Marseille did not occur 22 years later (1672-1650) and not 59 (1709-1650)?

What inversion of VI LAMOUREUX, Arcanum XIII, and II of Coins?

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