dr bartolo wrote:@Huck
the link you put in your previous post has a rather interesting deck of german cards......
http://www.zeno.org/Kunstwerke/B/Woensa ... +und+Damen[/img]
I call this "interesting" because German suited cards (like the above) do not (usually) have queens in them, and instead of the usual duce , there is a ace......
Yes ... there are 8 cards.
http://www.zeno.org/Kunstwerke/B/Woensa ... +und+Damen
The page contains this information:
Woensam, Anton: Ergänzungskarten zum Schäufeleinschen Kartenspiel: Asse und Damen
Künstler: Woensam, Anton
Entstehungsjahr: um 1535
Maße: 24,5 × 30 cm
Sammlung: Sammlung der Fürsten von Waldburg-Wolfegg-Waldsee
Ergänzungskarten means "added cards", and "Ergänzungskarten zum Schäufeleinschen Kartenspiel" means "added cards to the deck of Hans Leonhard Schäufelein".
The Schäufelein-Spiel had (possibly') a 4x12-structure, Schäufelein is given to Nurremberg, Woensam lived in Cologne. So it seems, that c. 1520-1540 Nurremberg preferred the 4x12 deck, (for instance Floetner) but Cologne (or at least some customers of Woensam) preferred the 4x14-deck. Indeed that interesting, as Master PW (also assumed to be a Cologne artist) made a 5x14-deck in 1500.
But ... at http://trionfi.com/0/j/d/schaeuf/ ... we had earlier gathered this information:
size: 9.5x6.0 cm
The complete deck consisted of 52 cards, Schaeufelein (ca. 1480 - ca. 1438) painted 41 of them, 11 others were designed by the Master of the Hederlein (according to H. Roettner, Peter Floetner's Holzschnitte, 1911).
The series was probably printed by Wolfgang Resch (noted at 2 of hearts).
I don't remember, where this information was collected from, likely from an engraving dictionary, but it contradicts apparently the Woensam information. Possibly an older theory by Roettner, which was abandoned later.
Here a better version of the cards:
Generally: Many older German playing card decks had queens, and they were already noted by Johannes of Rheinfelden in 1377
For Master PW
Cards ... http://koeln-tarot.trionfi.com/06/
German article ... http://koeln-tarot.trionfi.com/03/