Robert : So the deck we are looking at images from, at least according to my book, is not J.H. Rochias, but rather Jacques Rochias fils from 1782.
-Of course could be the same mould !
Just may be and worth an investigation !
Re: Joseph Henri Rochias ( 1816 )
#12Yes, that's what I was saying last night... that Tarot de Marseille I and Tarot de Marseille II have different styles of wings and for sure the Rochias is like the Tarot de Marseille II there, (and in most of the cards).EUGIM wrote:Robert,your words were very interesting.
Regarding to Noblet,I sincerely don t guess what those red spots are.
-Insist about Bourlion when you talks about the shape of the wings,more closer than Conver,just I think.
*The shape and measurement of the genitals are also much closer.
I like this card very much, I wonder why it is so different?
The Tarot will lose all its vitality for one who allows himself to be side-tracked by its pedantry. - Aleister Crowley
Re: Joseph Henri Rochias ( 1816 )
#13No, they're not. They are different. I can see both of them right in front of me and the J.H. is not from the same mould.EUGIM wrote:Robert : So the deck we are looking at images from, at least according to my book, is not J.H. Rochias, but rather Jacques Rochias fils from 1782.
-Of course could be the same mould !
Just may be and worth an investigation !
I do think the J.H. IS from the same mould of #2 deck, also by Jacques Rochais fils, but unknown date sometime in late 18th century.
The Tarot will lose all its vitality for one who allows himself to be side-tracked by its pedantry. - Aleister Crowley
Re: Joseph Henri Rochias ( 1816 )
#14Your Star is also from Deck #1 by Jacques.
Notice the 5 pointed yellow start instead of typical 8 pointed star? JH has the typical 8 pointed star.
Here is Jacques Rochias and the Chosson.


Notice the 5 pointed yellow start instead of typical 8 pointed star? JH has the typical 8 pointed star.
Here is Jacques Rochias and the Chosson.

The Tarot will lose all its vitality for one who allows himself to be side-tracked by its pedantry. - Aleister Crowley
Re: Joseph Henri Rochias ( 1816 )
#15Your re right but my source is this : http://lexic.ru/WWPCM/decks03/d01622/d01622.htm
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Re: Joseph Henri Rochias ( 1816 )
#16He's mixed up.EUGIM wrote:Your re right but my source is this : http://lexic.ru/WWPCM/decks03/d01622/d01622.htm
Look at the "2 Diamond" (2 coins)... it says Jacques!!!!
The Tarot will lose all its vitality for one who allows himself to be side-tracked by its pedantry. - Aleister Crowley
Re: Joseph Henri Rochias ( 1816 )
#17Well my hat off my Master !!!
I did n t take a look on the numerals ...
I did n t take a look on the numerals ...
The Universe is like a Mamushka.
Re: Joseph Henri Rochias ( 1816 )
#18EUGIM wrote:Well my hat off my Master !!!
I did n t take a look on the numerals ...

Now, another mystery. What do you think the writing means on this card?

http://lexic.ru/WWPCM/decks03/d01622/d01622hA.jpg
The Tarot will lose all its vitality for one who allows himself to be side-tracked by its pedantry. - Aleister Crowley
Re: Joseph Henri Rochias ( 1816 )
#19I keep thinking this is connected to the "Swiss Tarot de Marseille", something Kenji said a few years ago. I'll see if I can find it. I think the JPP might be someone named Proiche or something like that. My memory is going. 

The Tarot will lose all its vitality for one who allows himself to be side-tracked by its pedantry. - Aleister Crowley
Re: Joseph Henri Rochias ( 1816 )
#20In the XV, on the ground, next to the acolytes, they appear the same initials that in the one of coups, ¨P¨ and the indecipherable symbol.robert wrote:EUGIM wrote:Well my hat off my Master !!!
I did n t take a look on the numerals ...![]()
Now, another mystery. What do you think the writing means on this card?![]()
http://lexic.ru/WWPCM/decks03/d01622/d01622hA.jpg
Check it out:



