Re: Joseph Henri Rochias ( 1816 )
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The Universe is like a Mamushka.
EUGIM wrote:That s for example having in mind Conver by comparison,both are riding towards to opposite side.
Well the P next to the foot of the left acolyte is very clear, presumably the mark next to the foot of the right acolyte is also a letter but it is not so clear, an 'r', 'f' (or old fashioned 's')?robert wrote:I'm not sure if I'm seeing the same thing as you are showing lamort? It's hard to tell if anything is there, but I am probably just tired and blind.
SteveM wrote:Well the P next to the foot of the left acolyte is very clear, presumably the mark next to the foot of the right acolyte is also a letter but it is not so clear, an 'r', 'f' (or old fashioned 's')?robert wrote:I'm not sure if I'm seeing the same thing as you are showing lamort? It's hard to tell if anything is there, but I am probably just tired and blind.
robert wrote:Right! Or Jean-Michel, or Ross, and probably others too.EUGIM wrote:Yves !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The suspicious man...
I think it means "Engraved for JPP", but I am guessing.
Hi Yves, I not see clearly that it is one E, but has logic!Yves Le Marseillais wrote: Hello all,
In french is written "engraved BY J P Pe" that means very probably Jean Pierre PROCHE
Yves
Hi Jean-Michel,jmd wrote:nahhh... I reckon it stands for J. P. Phils (ie, Fils/sons)
I'm also unsure what to make of the I.P. on a deck that I would have expected I (ie, J) R (except that 'P' is the Greek 'R').
'Grave', by the way, is 'engraved' - so on the Ace of Cups, we have 'engraved by J .P. P[?]., and on the Chariot, which often identifies the engraver, we have the same two first initials of 'I. P.' (the 'j' and 'i' being equivalent).
To my eyes, the white letters on XV just show again those same initials, save that in this case inverted, ie, 'P. I.' - if it shows the name of the engraver, than this is another of those rare instances where the engraver leaves a shadow-mark that is unlikely to be picked up by a person availing themselves of the woodblocks and erasing the major ones on VII and other more obvious places (a little like the 'J.P.' - again!!!! - on the Dodal Moon, there presumably as Jean Payen).
Could it even be that the engraver is from the Jean Payen house, located somewhat further south than Neuchatel? The dates certainly appear a little wrong, but I'm wondering... and in that case, J.P.P. becomes Jean-Pierre Payen.
Ah, thanks Steve (and lamort!!), after a nights sleep and Steve's description, I now know what everyone is talking about! Last night I was looking inside the red circle! (Well, it was 2 am, I was very tired).SteveM wrote:Well the P next to the foot of the left acolyte is very clear, presumably the mark next to the foot of the right acolyte is also a letter but it is not so clear, an 'r', 'f' (or old fashioned 's')?robert wrote:I'm not sure if I'm seeing the same thing as you are showing lamort? It's hard to tell if anything is there, but I am probably just tired and blind.