Lorredan wrote:Now the 6 cards that were by a different hand in th PMB Visconti
are Force/Temperance/Star/Moon/Star and Mondo(World)
As I maintain that Justice is the balance that need to be applied for there to be a Just Contract- that leaves Temperance or Moderation and that seems to be included in all sequences- I take it that there was a not suitable Temperance in the first 14 cards. As Force seems to be a deviation from the usual image of that Virtue I presume that was changed also, to reflect Sforza. So The Visconti does not seem able to be a 14 Trump deck to start with.
It seems to be a 16 Trump deck and it would seem that the Cary Yale had 16 Suit cards- maybe it was a 5x16 deck as was the PBM originally?
Anyways, if that is the case all that seems different is that the Cary Yale had Faith/Hope and Charity and then the Visconti PBM had Star/Moon and Sun.
Then you have an image of Prudence holding a mirror with a compass in her Hand in the Book of Hours
So that Monde is the reflection of Prudence's mirror and the Star/Moon and Sun are the body of Prudence?
There is Prudentia in the Heavens?
So was Faith/Hope and Charity removed/not used/reconfigured with the Star/Moon and Sun? Looks like it to me
I do not know about those missing or not there cards of the Devil and the Tower. I believe it is "not there"
Now I need to explain whom I think is the forth parentado of the Contract- the card we call the Pope.
~Lorredan
The 5x14-theory assume, that the PBM-card World was Prudence. This seem also to be true for 16-special-cards Charles VI: World = Prudence (here the card World has an octagonal halo as the three other cardinal virtues). And it is assumed, that the Cary-Yale had 16 special cards (in a 5x16-deck), and that 4 of them were cardinal virtues.
It is not assumed, that the 14 Bembo cards inside the PMB belonged to a 5x16-deck. It's considered as a 5x14-deck. The later addition was perceived as 3 cardinal virtues (one, Justice, was already part of the 14 earlier trumps) plus 3 astrological symbols Sun-Moon-Star.
"Hiding the Prudentia" seems to have been already a "game" inside the structure of the "Decamerone" (Boccaccio a century earlier) ... so it wasn't new.
http://tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=163397
This is very complicated ... :-), but nonetheless true, I think.
In the course of this development Prudentia became the most variable virtue, that's generally accepted. There are even figure with 3 heads, I've read.
So was Faith/Hope and Charity removed/not used/reconfigured with the Star/Moon and Sun?
Yes, his is assumed as an essential part of the change from Chess Tarot Cary-Yale to Chess Tarot Charles VI (though the star wasn't part of this change; the 3rd replacing element is considered to have been the Fool):
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=788
This is assumed (inside the Chess Tarot theory) to have happened around 1463 in Florence. A little later the Medici chapel with 3 Holy Magi was finished and celebrated. Then it seems to have developed an idea with Sun-Moon-Star replacing the three cardinal virtues (also in Florence). Also in Florence the Minchiate developed. Then 3 cardinal virtues were grouped as trumps 6-8 and Prudentia with 3 theological virtues were grouped as trumps 16-19. The 3 "replacements" sun-moon-star were used also at trumps 36-38.
0
6-0
8
1
6-... 19
3
6-3
8
Well, a sort of system. Interestingly the "confusing" Prudentia is not given as 16 (at begin of the row) or at 19 (at end of the row), but at 17.
In matters of the Minchiate recently the article of Franco Pratesi ...
http://trionfi.com/rosenwald-tarocchi-sheet
... brought up the "new" dimension, that the Rosenwald Tarocchi might have been a fragment of a 96-cards-Minchiate (not 97) deck and as this possibly very early, perhaps also in the period 1464/65.
That's naturally rather insecure, but it opens a lot of other perhaps necessary models of the development.
This early Minchiate - if it existed in the form as suggested - would have had a Devil and a Tower ... Cary-Yale and 5x14-Bembo cards hadn't a devil and Tower and also PMB (20 trumps) is assumed to have had none. The Charles Vi (Chess Tarot) had a Tower (the Rook in Chess). This early Minchiate (a very cheap deck and so for the cheap market) had a devil. Karnöffel already knew the devil as a card or a figure before, it might well be, that the early Minchiate merged different Trionfi decks to one new big game ... with lots of trumps, and between them also a devil, to satisfy or attract those, who played with such cards.