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letters of Francesco Sforza

Posted: 21 Jul 2010, 23:31
by mmfilesi
A very interesting web ^^:

http://www.lombardiabeniculturali.it/mi ... sentazione

In this web are many letters of Francesco Sforza (and you can traslate this in English with google).

http://www.lombardiabeniculturali.it/missive/registri/

Its interesting for know better the world of Bianca and Francesco.

Re: letters of Francesco Sforza

Posted: 21 Jul 2010, 23:50
by mmfilesi
One clasic : )

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http://www.lombardiabeniculturali.it/mi ... ew=ricerca

Francesco Sforza ad Antonio Trecco1450 dicembre 11 Lodi

Francesco Sforza sollecita Antonio Trecco a fargli avere due paia di carte da trionfo o, se non gli riesce di trovarle, due altre belle paia di carte da gioco.

Antonio Trecho, texaurario.
Voliamo subito recevuta questa per uno cavallaro ad posta, ne detti mandare doe para de carte de triumphi, delle più belle poray trovare et non trovando dicti triomphi, voglie mandare doe altre para de carte da giocare, pur delle più belle poray havere, quale fa che habbiamo qui domenica per tutto el dì che sarà adì xiii del presente. Data Laude, die xi decembris 1450.
Franciscus Sfortia Vicecomes manu propria subscripsit.
Cichus.

Re: letters of Francesco Sforza

Posted: 21 Jul 2010, 23:57
by mmfilesi
http://www.lombardiabeniculturali.it/mi ... nti/3.489/

489. Francesco Sforza ad Antonio Trecco. 1450 dicembre 11 Lodi

Richiesta ad Antonio Trecco di far avere al duca due mazzi di carte da trionfi o di altro tipo per il 13 del mese.

Antonio Trecho.
Scriptum fuit Antonio quod micteret domino paria duo cartarum a triumphis vel paria duo aliarum cartarum, et cetera, per totum diem xiii decembris. Laude, xi decembris 1450.
Iohannes.

Re: letters of Francesco Sforza

Posted: 22 Jul 2010, 00:09
by Huck
We had this earlier ... yes, the both letters of 1450 are there. But the letter, which reports something about the Malatesta interest in Trionfi cards we didn't find.

And the letters govern only a few periods ... at least in the moment.

Re: letters of Francesco Sforza

Posted: 22 Jul 2010, 00:18
by mmfilesi
Her browser is not working very well (I tried "triomphi" and found nothing.)

Anyway, it's interesting for general information about Francesco. Now I go ten days in vacation (without internet :-s ). When return I search with tranquility.

Re: letters of Francesco Sforza

Posted: 22 Jul 2010, 07:23
by Huck
mmfilesi wrote:Her browser is not working very well (I tried "triomphi" and found nothing.)

Anyway, it's interesting for general information about Francesco. Now I go ten days in vacation (without internet :-s ). When return I search with tranquility.
... :-) ... have much fun

Re: letters of Francesco Sforza

Posted: 22 Jul 2010, 09:15
by mmfilesi
Thank friend!

Re: letters of Francesco Sforza

Posted: 22 Jul 2010, 09:58
by Ross G. R. Caldwell
According to Bandera, Malatesta's letter was published by E. Motta in "Documenti per la libreria Sforzesca di Pavia", Il Bibliofilio X (1889), pp. 107-108.

If you search the terms "carte da triumpho" or "carte da triumpho per zugare", in Google Books, you'll get the reference, but the book is not available to view.

I have tried to use proxy servers, but my search keeps being in French, so I guess France has somehow found a way around most proxies (or FireFox for France has blocked most of them, etc. I'm not smart enough to get around it). Someone in another country might have better luck.

Ross

Re: letters of Francesco Sforza

Posted: 22 Jul 2010, 11:48
by Huck
According my information Dummett wrote
"From a letter of 1451 from Bianca Maria Visconti to her husband Francesco Sforza, asking him to send to Sigismondo Malatesta, lord of Rimini, a pack of Tarot cards of the kinds made in Cremona, which he had asked for the previous autumn, we may infer that Cremona was especially renowned hand-painted playing cards of this kind. (39)" (Page 22)
Note 39: (unluckily I've not note 39 .... anybody else?)

According to this there are possibly 3 letters: One from Malatesta, one from Bianca Maria to Francesco, one from Francesco to Malatesta (... or this letter never became written). Possibly (or probably) only the letter Bianca Maria to Francesco exists nowadays.

Contradicting Andre Vitali insisted on November 1452.

Storia di Milano article gives:
Il mazzo Colleoni divenne il prototipo dei mazzi lombardi e specialista per la loro produzione fu la bottega dei Bembo a Cremona. Nel 1451 Bianca Maria Visconti scriveva al marito Francesco Sforza di inviare a Sigismondo Malatesta un mazzo di “quelle carte di trionfi che se ne fanno a Cremona”. Tra il 1450 e il 1452 al tesoriere ducale di Cremona Antonio Trecchi gli Sforza commissionarono “carte da triumpho per zugare, de belle quanto più sarà possibile et ornate con le armi ducali et le insegne nostre”
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http://www.storiadimilano.it/Arte/carte_gioco.htm

http://trionfi.com/0/e/08/
Trionfi.com once took 1452 from Pizzagalli's report

Re: letters of Francesco Sforza

Posted: 22 Jul 2010, 11:51
by mmfilesi
Malatesta's letter was published by E. Motta in "Documenti per la libreria Sforzesca a Pavia", Il Bibliofilio X (1889), pp. 107-108.
I only read this:
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