Re: Regarding colours
11* Talking about Conver and its supposed many changes of colours...
The Universe is like a Mamushka.
I'm not sure I agree with this, Marcei. There may be no cryptic message at all.Marcei wrote:[...] Also, there are some really quirky inconsistencies within single images where you can only conclude the presence of a cryptic message.
I am by no means ‘tired’ by your posts. I agree with you in that the colors were intentionally applied. In fact, there is no other possible hypothesis: it is unlikely that the colors were accidentally spilled or unconsciously applied by someone who wasn’t paying attention. The process of coloring these images was complicated and time-consuming enough for it to have happened randomly or unconsciously. Now, are you meaning something else? in which case I would love to know: what evidence do you have to sustain your opinion? It is there any coherent, all-comprehensive, meaning you can derive from the way these colors are used, beyond their illustrative purpose?Marcei wrote: I am convinced that colors are thoughtfully and intentionally applied, at least in most cases.
Excellent!SteveM wrote:Black Devil - symoblises the sin of anger
Blue Devil - Symbolises the sin of pride
Brown Devil - Symbolises the sin of greed
Green Devil - Symbolises the sin of envy
Grey Devil - Symbolises the sin of sloth
Red Devil - Symoblises the sin of lust
Yellow Devil - Symbolises the sin of avarice
Devils in Art: Florence from the middle ages to the Renaissance Lorenzo Lorenzi (trans. Mark Roberts).
Any of the colours may be associated with a devil and reference a particular sin (see post above re: the colour of devil).EUGIM wrote: If blue is associated with wisdom or red with the devil ?
At various anti-semitic periods of history, Jews were often required to distinguish themselves in certain place at different times by a symbol, commonly yellow: in the list of demons you see that yellow was associated with avarice, a vice of which Jews were frequently charged not only through an association with usery, but through the actions of Judas who ‘valued the worth of Christ in a pair of Scales’ (thus in Christian zodiacs Judas in linked with Libra); yellow was known as the Judas colour, and representations of Judas frequently portray him dressed in yellow and it was thus associated not only as a symbol of avarice, but of betrayal.EUGIM wrote:I keep in my mind the Umberto Eco mention regarding the yellow colour,and still asking me why the infamous,abominable nazi ideas did choose his colour precisely to condemned the jewish brothers with that humiliating yellow star
While this may be vaguely true in terms of general tendencies I don't think the use of symbolic, representational or otherwise ad hoc decorative use of colour is very useful as a dating devise, as examples of all three may be found in any age. The question is whether there is symbolic, representational or decorative use of colour in tarot; and there is a tendency to personify tarot and tarot card makers as if they were all one and answer yes, no maybe - but there are many packs, many card-makers; maybe some used colours symbolically, some representationaly, some decoratively, some without any particular scheme or thought on the matter at all; nothing one way or the other is proved by making generalisations about some abstract personification of 'card-makers' or 'the tarot'.EUGIM wrote: 1-In Gothic medieval art better said later Romanesque art,the colours had symbolism.
2-In the Renaissance art,contrary,the colours had an strongly tendency to be descriptive on a realist sense.
EnriqueEnriquez wrote:
Back to color, the problem is that, in fact, the evidence suggest the opposite. No two decks share the same color scheme, and more important, we even find color changes and variations in different editions of the same deck. If we set the context in which these cards were printed, we can see why such inconsistencies appear. As mundane as that is, as non-exciting story as that is, those are the facts. Even if we assume that there was an original symbolic intention in the use of color in some tarots, a pattern we haven’t found, its unlikely survival suggests that such color symbolism wasn’t a relevant, or definitive attribute of the tarot. The decks we have at hand suggest that such color symbolism isn’t discernible because we can’t detect any clear pattern, other than colors being used with a naturalistic intention. By discernible I don’t mean understandable. We don’t have to understand how to read Russian, or Japanese to detect a pattern in the way Russian and Japanese people use written language. So, when we say “that is written in Russian” we aren’t inferring it because we know that other cultures in the world often use written language, but because we can detect clear patterns in the grouping of the pictograms they use. So, we can honestly and knowingly say: “That must be a language I don’t understand”.