Re: Tarotée - The Back-Door To The Secret
Posted: 10 Feb 2015, 22:13
Hi Huck.
Yes I thought of the PMB "Homeless Man" too.
This man has a special disadvantage in comparison to the A-2-chess-man and the "Giotto-Stoltezza".
He has a "goiter" what can lead to serious special conditions.
The "C-2-chess-man I would more likely address as the "Innkeeper" (as in owner) because "C" shows how the "baton" of Le BATELEUR is used as a "key" to Le MONDE's secret (especially in the M/G 1930 aTdM)
The Innkeeper should only have ONE key as in your 1st and 2nd pic.
Maybe the 2 keys (as) in your second picture brought the 2 batons to some Le(s) MONDE(s) in some TdMs about. With 2 of them there is no chance to find the "key position".
Also the Innkeeper carries something with an oval opening.
Or in the last picture you can see the oval wine barrel through the open tavern door.
(The 2nd Innkeeper with the "too many keys" seems to carry a "spittoon" - what is very interesting when know about early "creation(s) of man".)
The tavern is a place where people meet and have social interaction.
Of EVERY kind. The Owner has to keep them in check. It's his business.
He opens the tavern and closes after them and stays there the whole day.
((In early myths (on the Phoenician side - but only if you REALLY follow through the whole "way") you will also find an Innkeeper - but a woman. A bit unconventional in her tastes and social contacts and of somewhat questionable morals. IF you look at her with mortal eyes.))
The "Garland" of Le MONDE is in oval shape too and "C" shows how the "Card-People" gather there in oval form.
AFTER "The OUROBOROS" - ((himself originally of circular or oval form - but here as a rectangle because the cards are rectangular and I (Le BATELEUR) and II (La PAPESSE) only help to "form" the body of the "serpent" in the beginning)) has eaten and digested for his movement and new formation III - IIII and V...
(Here it helps to know about "Sophia" in (early) gnostic texts and to whom she gave birth and why. But this is also only another skin ( > as in onion) of knowledge. A FRINGE theme.)
...he gets killed by a baby (Apollon I assume and "Python" who is a "persona" for the Ouroboros like all snaky monsters in folktale.)
(Speaking of snakes and "dolphins" - did you know that "Delphyne" was a nickname for the "Python" ( > aka Ouroboros?)
The dead Ouroboros ( > Python) - (all cards except I - II - III - IIII - V) is taken away in a special order and the cards that stay (III - IIII -V) can be understood as the bones of Python that formed the "Tripod" on which the "Priestess" (II) interprets the SCRIPTURE ((as in HOLY book > word of (a) God)) of Apollon (I).
(I = Apollon on this level only and for all other here mentioned identities of the cards goes the same!).
Afterwards the "New World" is born through the "Miracle Of The Dice" and formed in the way the Timaios describes it when the Ouroboros is transformed.
This becomes visible only after "The GODDESS" has taken her place between the crenelation of 4 on the BIG RESURRECTED "La MAISON DIEV".
(Assuming here that the Timaios is only an editing of an originally Pythagorean work ( > Cicero) widens the cultural range immensely (when you know where Pythagoras did study) and the time range of the original cultural source profoundly.)
The (in a special defined way) oval bound sliced Ouroboros can also be perceived as a boat (or tavern) full of 20 people who make noise and are unruly and anger the owner and make him take action (as in strict moral advice for them to not endanger themselves or others).
Here the strong for hire "Homeless Man" can come in handy as a "partner" for the "owner".
He could act like a "pillar" or a "mast" for the whole "drunken ((with the PRESENCE of (a) God)) community".
Because HE follows only the "orders" of the "owner".
Le BATELEUR "owns" his "balls" so to say - just like Jean Noblet portrays it so distinctly!
About the "elephant" that became "a rook" and it's Italian appearance:
They become all ONE when you follow the "Phoenician" trail across the alps.
But that was not their first visit to Italian borders.
They gave much soil to the later roman plants.
In the wake of the 20th century there were still traces of "Phoenician" worship amongst "witches" that did "divination" with Tarot cards in Italy.
Foremost the God "Nebo" (It's such a drag with vocals in some languages!). > You may remember our PM conversation about the Sola Busca when I mentioned that on the NABUCHODENASOR card XXI the patron God of Nebuchadnezzar II is portrayed for several reasons and NOT the king. This is ONE more reason why.)
>> The Rook is assumed to have some relation to Fame-World <<
Interesting! That's what I was talking about above in the paragraph about the "New World".
>> The king knight is assumed as the successful triumphator on a chariot <<
On a later level - after the cards are one by one shifted around for some hours - 3 of them will ride in the chariot.
They are taken away from "the world" (Merkaba > the devoted "friend" enters through acts & "mercy" the presence of "The Highest Builder In The World" with Metatron's help: only very short and customized for this special purpose of explanation!!) for some time (levels) and reside in a place called "Limbo" by some.
You can NOT see them - BUT they are still THERE.
Now there is more "room" on the board and other stories can be told.
"The REVERSED MAN" knows about them through the "snags" on his gallows but he can only remember while he dances between the "sun" and the "moon".
The XX (the trumpet with the golden cross) alarms II that she must get ready to fulfill the scripture and proclaim "The Word" to set in motion the new (world's) creation.
This is all totally practical and summarized from the scribd text and that what follows.
>> What in the suspected Tarot chess was really done is naturally a riddle. In one case it is suspected, that the king bishop became the Father Time, and on the negative female Queen-side bishop the Traitor. The king knight is assumed as the successful triumphator on a chariot, and on the Queen side the negative Death on horse. The Rook is assumed to have some relation to Fame-World on one side, and on the other the Last Judgment, the highest cards and the strongest figures in old chess (before the queen was promoted) <<
It does not work like that as you may get from the above. You should get first get comfortable with the "Liber Mundi" thread on "Aeclectic".
16 personas in Tarot (on the 1st level).
8 officers with their 8 special pawns in chess (as I understand it so far > A-2 is connected with the right wing "tower" and C-2 with the right wing "bishop" and so demonstrating the specific abilities of the concerned "officers" in an extended manner - correct? Please correct me if I didn't get it!)
8 (16) against 8 (16) in chess.
8 complement 8 in Tarot.
8 pairs in Tarot on the points of an 8 pointed "Star"
The 8 "halfs" of each pair do not go against the other 8 "halfs" in a competition.
They "discover" each-other in every meaning of this word.
And the next "condition" that every half experiences is inevitable and dependent on personal choice and reflection - and so the 16 become 18.
The level of 18.
Nothing like that in chess.
On the 18-level you will find the so-called "replacement cards" (PMB) grouped very neatly into 3 pairs and the card that is used as a 17th card and as an add on to the left half of the broken pair Sun/World (Sun < 17) stays No 17 in the TdMs.
The 18th card that is used as an add on to to angels on the "world" (18 > World) stays No 18 in the TdMs.
But the appearance of both cards changes VERY much from PMB to Tarot de Marseille!
And this goes on until on a level after some more levels all 22 are united again in the next world that was the foundation for the creation in the beginning because "The WORD" of creation must be spoken and spelled out with definite "letters" in a certain order.
And after that the orchard with its trees comes into sight.
A wonderful and Illustration for that is:
"Die kabbalistische Lehrtafel in der evangelischen Dreifaltigkeitskirche im Stadtteil Bad Teinach der Stadt Bad Teinach-Zavelstein" der Prinzessin Antonia von Württemberg.
There are great sites out there with BIG JPGs of ALL the tablets.
You should look through the Christian bias.
And know WHO the spiritual teacher of the princess was.
And take him more seriously.
The Hebrew bias should naturally last a bit longer.
But they CAME from somewhere.
That was what the Freemasons originally came for but forgot about.
>> What interests me first: It's well known, that there was not only one Tarot card sequence, but a lof of variants. Does Charlatan mention this condition, or does he just postulate, that his row is just the true and real one? It's just a question, if he knows about these many other rows. <<
If you really REALLY want to know that you should REALLY read my PDF.
Thanx a lot.
That was interesting.
Adrian
PS: Huck if you should feel inclined to reply to this quick write up (because I do not have much time right now I did it all out of the top of my head and so without pics!) please make sure that you address EVERY topic (even any new ones) herein so that I can get the info over completely.
For other INTERESTED readers too!
It's complicated enough - so let's make it leastways readable.
I tried to use words that are searchable.
If you should get stuck please let me know.
I'd be happy to help out and follow up with links or such.
And it seems that "Tarot Chess" is really YOUR thing (or not?) apart from the Enochian bogus.
So PLEASE be precise!
Yes I thought of the PMB "Homeless Man" too.
This man has a special disadvantage in comparison to the A-2-chess-man and the "Giotto-Stoltezza".
He has a "goiter" what can lead to serious special conditions.
The "C-2-chess-man I would more likely address as the "Innkeeper" (as in owner) because "C" shows how the "baton" of Le BATELEUR is used as a "key" to Le MONDE's secret (especially in the M/G 1930 aTdM)
The Innkeeper should only have ONE key as in your 1st and 2nd pic.
Maybe the 2 keys (as) in your second picture brought the 2 batons to some Le(s) MONDE(s) in some TdMs about. With 2 of them there is no chance to find the "key position".
Also the Innkeeper carries something with an oval opening.
Or in the last picture you can see the oval wine barrel through the open tavern door.
(The 2nd Innkeeper with the "too many keys" seems to carry a "spittoon" - what is very interesting when know about early "creation(s) of man".)
The tavern is a place where people meet and have social interaction.
Of EVERY kind. The Owner has to keep them in check. It's his business.
He opens the tavern and closes after them and stays there the whole day.
((In early myths (on the Phoenician side - but only if you REALLY follow through the whole "way") you will also find an Innkeeper - but a woman. A bit unconventional in her tastes and social contacts and of somewhat questionable morals. IF you look at her with mortal eyes.))
The "Garland" of Le MONDE is in oval shape too and "C" shows how the "Card-People" gather there in oval form.
AFTER "The OUROBOROS" - ((himself originally of circular or oval form - but here as a rectangle because the cards are rectangular and I (Le BATELEUR) and II (La PAPESSE) only help to "form" the body of the "serpent" in the beginning)) has eaten and digested for his movement and new formation III - IIII and V...
(Here it helps to know about "Sophia" in (early) gnostic texts and to whom she gave birth and why. But this is also only another skin ( > as in onion) of knowledge. A FRINGE theme.)
...he gets killed by a baby (Apollon I assume and "Python" who is a "persona" for the Ouroboros like all snaky monsters in folktale.)
(Speaking of snakes and "dolphins" - did you know that "Delphyne" was a nickname for the "Python" ( > aka Ouroboros?)
The dead Ouroboros ( > Python) - (all cards except I - II - III - IIII - V) is taken away in a special order and the cards that stay (III - IIII -V) can be understood as the bones of Python that formed the "Tripod" on which the "Priestess" (II) interprets the SCRIPTURE ((as in HOLY book > word of (a) God)) of Apollon (I).
(I = Apollon on this level only and for all other here mentioned identities of the cards goes the same!).
Afterwards the "New World" is born through the "Miracle Of The Dice" and formed in the way the Timaios describes it when the Ouroboros is transformed.
This becomes visible only after "The GODDESS" has taken her place between the crenelation of 4 on the BIG RESURRECTED "La MAISON DIEV".
(Assuming here that the Timaios is only an editing of an originally Pythagorean work ( > Cicero) widens the cultural range immensely (when you know where Pythagoras did study) and the time range of the original cultural source profoundly.)
The (in a special defined way) oval bound sliced Ouroboros can also be perceived as a boat (or tavern) full of 20 people who make noise and are unruly and anger the owner and make him take action (as in strict moral advice for them to not endanger themselves or others).
Here the strong for hire "Homeless Man" can come in handy as a "partner" for the "owner".
He could act like a "pillar" or a "mast" for the whole "drunken ((with the PRESENCE of (a) God)) community".
Because HE follows only the "orders" of the "owner".
Le BATELEUR "owns" his "balls" so to say - just like Jean Noblet portrays it so distinctly!
About the "elephant" that became "a rook" and it's Italian appearance:
They become all ONE when you follow the "Phoenician" trail across the alps.
But that was not their first visit to Italian borders.
They gave much soil to the later roman plants.
In the wake of the 20th century there were still traces of "Phoenician" worship amongst "witches" that did "divination" with Tarot cards in Italy.
Foremost the God "Nebo" (It's such a drag with vocals in some languages!). > You may remember our PM conversation about the Sola Busca when I mentioned that on the NABUCHODENASOR card XXI the patron God of Nebuchadnezzar II is portrayed for several reasons and NOT the king. This is ONE more reason why.)
>> The Rook is assumed to have some relation to Fame-World <<
Interesting! That's what I was talking about above in the paragraph about the "New World".
>> The king knight is assumed as the successful triumphator on a chariot <<
On a later level - after the cards are one by one shifted around for some hours - 3 of them will ride in the chariot.
They are taken away from "the world" (Merkaba > the devoted "friend" enters through acts & "mercy" the presence of "The Highest Builder In The World" with Metatron's help: only very short and customized for this special purpose of explanation!!) for some time (levels) and reside in a place called "Limbo" by some.
You can NOT see them - BUT they are still THERE.
Now there is more "room" on the board and other stories can be told.
"The REVERSED MAN" knows about them through the "snags" on his gallows but he can only remember while he dances between the "sun" and the "moon".
The XX (the trumpet with the golden cross) alarms II that she must get ready to fulfill the scripture and proclaim "The Word" to set in motion the new (world's) creation.
This is all totally practical and summarized from the scribd text and that what follows.
>> What in the suspected Tarot chess was really done is naturally a riddle. In one case it is suspected, that the king bishop became the Father Time, and on the negative female Queen-side bishop the Traitor. The king knight is assumed as the successful triumphator on a chariot, and on the Queen side the negative Death on horse. The Rook is assumed to have some relation to Fame-World on one side, and on the other the Last Judgment, the highest cards and the strongest figures in old chess (before the queen was promoted) <<
It does not work like that as you may get from the above. You should get first get comfortable with the "Liber Mundi" thread on "Aeclectic".
16 personas in Tarot (on the 1st level).
8 officers with their 8 special pawns in chess (as I understand it so far > A-2 is connected with the right wing "tower" and C-2 with the right wing "bishop" and so demonstrating the specific abilities of the concerned "officers" in an extended manner - correct? Please correct me if I didn't get it!)
8 (16) against 8 (16) in chess.
8 complement 8 in Tarot.
8 pairs in Tarot on the points of an 8 pointed "Star"
The 8 "halfs" of each pair do not go against the other 8 "halfs" in a competition.
They "discover" each-other in every meaning of this word.
And the next "condition" that every half experiences is inevitable and dependent on personal choice and reflection - and so the 16 become 18.
The level of 18.
Nothing like that in chess.
On the 18-level you will find the so-called "replacement cards" (PMB) grouped very neatly into 3 pairs and the card that is used as a 17th card and as an add on to the left half of the broken pair Sun/World (Sun < 17) stays No 17 in the TdMs.
The 18th card that is used as an add on to to angels on the "world" (18 > World) stays No 18 in the TdMs.
But the appearance of both cards changes VERY much from PMB to Tarot de Marseille!
And this goes on until on a level after some more levels all 22 are united again in the next world that was the foundation for the creation in the beginning because "The WORD" of creation must be spoken and spelled out with definite "letters" in a certain order.
And after that the orchard with its trees comes into sight.
A wonderful and Illustration for that is:
"Die kabbalistische Lehrtafel in der evangelischen Dreifaltigkeitskirche im Stadtteil Bad Teinach der Stadt Bad Teinach-Zavelstein" der Prinzessin Antonia von Württemberg.
There are great sites out there with BIG JPGs of ALL the tablets.
You should look through the Christian bias.
And know WHO the spiritual teacher of the princess was.
And take him more seriously.
The Hebrew bias should naturally last a bit longer.
But they CAME from somewhere.
That was what the Freemasons originally came for but forgot about.
>> What interests me first: It's well known, that there was not only one Tarot card sequence, but a lof of variants. Does Charlatan mention this condition, or does he just postulate, that his row is just the true and real one? It's just a question, if he knows about these many other rows. <<
If you really REALLY want to know that you should REALLY read my PDF.
Thanx a lot.
That was interesting.
Adrian
PS: Huck if you should feel inclined to reply to this quick write up (because I do not have much time right now I did it all out of the top of my head and so without pics!) please make sure that you address EVERY topic (even any new ones) herein so that I can get the info over completely.
For other INTERESTED readers too!
It's complicated enough - so let's make it leastways readable.
I tried to use words that are searchable.
If you should get stuck please let me know.
I'd be happy to help out and follow up with links or such.
And it seems that "Tarot Chess" is really YOUR thing (or not?) apart from the Enochian bogus.
So PLEASE be precise!