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* Thanks you JMD.

- Is as if the X card,leaving aside LE MAT and the XXI card,divide the sequence in two rows.
So to I X and X to XX.
-Leaving this wheel of ignorance we can reach the next row from XI to XX and then once lessons was learned,arrived at XXI,the celestial wheel.
Thus X card is a depiction of the ours terrestrial wheel.

. I remember here when Jesus said "My world is not from this world".
That is for me the essence of the XXI card.

Au revoir...

EUGIM wrote:* Onager : http://bestiary.ca/beasts/beast211.htm

* Ape: http://bestiary.ca/beasts/beast148.htm

Like the Sphinx both ape and ass as well as being associated with ignorance and folly are equated with the devil.

EUGIM wrote:
-Leaving this wheel of ignorance we can reach the next row from XI to XX and then once lessons was learned,arrived at XXI,the celestial wheel.

Yes, the Wheel of Ignorance could be seen as representing this world, the world after the fall, in relation to XXI, paradise restored, the new jerusalem, the world to come.

Stevie: I am not agree regarding the gryphon you called the sphinx.

-Regarding the rest I am fully agree !



Migue as ever !

EUGIM wrote:Stevie: I am not agree regarding the gryphon you called the sphinx.

...the creature simply looks more like a Sphinx than a Griffin.

SteveM
Gryphus significat sapientiam jungendam fortitudini, sed sapientiam debere praeire, fortitudinem sequi.

EUGIM wrote:* Steve: The beast has not boobs and I know that sphinx also have them like Salma Hayek...

As you know Eugim I have already answered this objection many times. Not all Sphinxes are portrayed with 'boobs' as in the French Mannerist style of sphinx. They are not even always shown with the body of a lion -or even as female:


The Riddle of the Sphinx: with Man as baby on all fours, as adult and with stick in background.

* So you are right Stevie !

- Sphinx with such huge bobs are a frenchie invention...
So Griffin hasn t my dear friend ???
It is okay ?.

http://www.lavondyss.net/biblioteca/bes ... m#EL_GRIFO

EUGIM wrote:* So you are right Stevie !

- Sphinx with such huge bobs are a frenchie invention...

The so called 'French' Mannerist style of Sphinx (aka:the one's with big boobs) is not actually a 'frenchie invention'. The model for the French Mannerist sphinx is one from the "Golden House" of Nero unearthed in Rome in the fifteenth century, and first appeared in France with Italian artists of the School of Fontainebleau in the late 1520's.

See for example, Wikipedia entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sphinx

* 1520 is not Renaissance art as you knows,Stevie !
So boobs or bubble gums, are later as you rightly mentioned...

. MOOMMMYYYYYYY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

* Mannerism brought the Baroque.
-Mannerism was a desperate attempt to "inflame" lines and colours,too realist and closely to nature as Titian showed.
This transition is better show to us by Tintoretto.
And best by the human "pyre" as the painter Paolo Veronese was...

http://www.scborromeo.org/images/cana1.jpg

EUGIM wrote:* Mannerism brought the Baroque.
-Mannerism was a desperate attempt to "inflame" lines and colours,too realist and closely to nature as Titian showed.
This transition is better show to us by Tintoretto.
And best by the human "pyre" as the painter Paolo Veronese was...

http://www.scborromeo.org/images/cana1.jpg

What does this have to do with the Wheel of Fortune?