Re: Trionfi customs 1436 and 1438
Posted: 02 Jul 2019, 10:46
I meant on the "bound pilgrim". Or do you take that as his hairdo?
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Not sure which detail you are looking at? It seems like an open "tunic" - comes short of the knees, and then some sort of boots. Perhaps crudely drawn/cut, but I don't see anything particularly unusual. Here's a detail of an odd Petrarchan triumphs - Strozzi 174, Fama, with captives also with arms similarly bound behind, but instead of open in the front, the tunic is slid off one shoulder: Or do you mean that odd "mermaid tail" seemingly attached to the wagon, but one of the "fin's" tips coincides with the rear circumference of the halo, like a veil?
I think maybe Mike is referring to his cap/hair do - the crescent/horn shape coming from the 'skull-cap' part of his hat over his fore-head does also sort of make it look like a wolf/dog head (seeing the crescent/horns shape as the nuzzle of a dog/wolf) - though I'm not sure it was intended to be such (looks more like a crescent shape to me, rather than the mouth of a wolf, though I can see it as a wolf-dog head too - and sort of 'flip' between seeing it either way) :
Ross G. R. Caldwell wrote: 03 Jul 2019, 16:30 It could be that the bound figure represents Samson, with his hair shorn (it looks like a tonsure). This one shows a bearded figure, thus more evidently Samson -
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The straight line behind his head I take to be just a cliff face, a continuation of the same thing behind his back.
Ross G. R. Caldwell wrote: 03 Jul 2019, 16:30 It could be that the bound figure represents Samson, with his hair shorn (it looks like a tonsure). This one shows a bearded figure, thus more evidently Samson -
The straight line behind his head I take to be just a cliff face, a continuation of the same thing behind his back.
SteveM wrote: 03 Jul 2019, 10:42 I think maybe Mike is referring to his cap/hair do - the crescent/horn shape coming from the 'skull-cap' part of his hat over his fore-head does also sort of make it look like a wolf/dog head (seeing the crescent/horns shape as the nuzzle of a dog/wolf) - though I'm not sure it was intended to be such (looks more like a crescent shape to me, rather than the mouth of a wolf, though I can see it as a wolf-dog head too - and sort of 'flip' between seeing it either way)
Ross,Ross G. R. Caldwell wrote: 05 Jul 2019, 10:33 Not always bearded.
From a cassone attributed to Zanobi -
From a cassone attributed to the school of Mantegna -
From the single sheet six triumphs -
And I don't see a halo, but part of the landscape in the background.
Steve,SteveM wrote: 05 Jul 2019, 23:30 Since Ross pointed it out, the 'halo' or hat does seem to me more like the background cliff/rock figuration - now that I see it that way, I find it hard to construe it as a halo or part of hat at all... and what I saw as a 'skull-cap' seems obviously a tonsured head, now that it has been pointed out... and Samson fits.