Re: 15 Signs of last judgment

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In my searches on Canon Law/Civil law I keep coming across these 15 signs and the order seems to be derived from the artwork- not the order first- then the artwork. They were all in France- a lot were tapestries. It seems that the Tapestries like in Angers were based on the Book of Revelations with a sub-set of these 15 signs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalypse_Tapestry (some of the subset are missing)
Here is sign 20. I am told that other signs are built into this church- but I cannot find examples to post.
They would, if there, have a logical placement so you would be aware of the order.
~Lorredan
The Universe is full of magical things patiently waiting for our wits to grow sharper.
Eden Phillpotts

Re: 15 Signs of last judgment

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Lorredan wrote:In my searches on Canon Law/Civil law I keep coming across these 15 signs and the order seems to be derived from the artwork- not the order first- then the artwork. They were all in France- a lot were tapestries. It seems that the Tapestries like in Angers were based on the Book of Revelations with a sub-set of these 15 signs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalypse_Tapestry (some of the subset are missing)

Here is sign 20. I am told that other signs are built into this church- but I cannot find examples to post.
They would, if there, have a logical placement so you would be aware of the order.
~Lorredan
hi,

I understood from the research, that the "15 signs" are not immediately connected to the "usual Revelation" ... so, as I don't find the name "15 signs" mentioned in the sources, I would assume, that both (the gorgeous tapestry of Angers and the church St Foy in Conques at the picture) are not part of the "15 signs" group.

The Tapestry article describes it this way:
The tapestry shows the story of the Apocalypse from the Book of Revelation by Saint John the Divine.[6] In the 14th century, the Apocalypse was a popular story, focusing on the heroic aspects of the last confrontation between good and evil and featuring battle scenes between angels and beasts.[7] Although many of the scenes in the story included destruction and death, the account ended with the triumphant success of good, forming an uplifting story.[8] Various versions of the Apocalypse story, or cycle, were circulating in Europe at the time and Louis chose to use an Anglo-French Gothic style of the cycle, partially derived from a manuscript he borrowed from his brother, Charles V of France, in 1373.[2] This version of the Apocalypse had first been recorded in Metz and then later adapted by English scholars; Charles' manuscript had been produced in England around 1250.[9] Louis may also have influenced by a particularly grand tapestry given to Charles by the magistrates of Lille in 1367.[10]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conques
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbatiale_ ... de_Conques

But both are indeed interesting objects, thanks.
Huck
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Re: 15 Signs of last judgment

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Huck wrote
Momus was not numbered in the Poilly-22-version (though 16 was missing in this deck, and the Museum placed it to 16 ... but 16 should have been the element Air). In the 42-version he had 29, the last "before 30", and 31-42 were the months (or the zodiac). That's somehow similar to Fool between 20 and 21.
Well, yes, "somehow". To know how similar Momus at 29 is to Fool between 20 and 21, we should know what Poilly's 28 and 30 were, since this discussion is in the context of the symbolism of the Last Judgment. Can you tell us?

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mikeh wrote: Well, yes, "somehow". To know how similar Momus at 29 is to Fool between 20 and 21, we should know what Poilly's 28 and 30 were, since this discussion is in the context of the symbolism of the Last Judgment. Can you tell us?
42-version
http://www.tarot.org.il/Minchiate%20Francesi/

There are links to all three lists at
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=782

number 28 is Venus, Nr. 30 Fortuna (comparable to World ... somehow)
number 27 Love or Amor
26 Bacchos
25 Mercury
... and then 24 Angel, which is more Fame than Last Judgment
And below the Angel are 5 virtues.

So this arrangement is quite different and Momus is accompanied by a "young Olymp", fitting to a young king of the Sun, who has to say "yes" to life and pleasures.
Huck
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A Sibylline prophetic text sometimes attributed to Venerable Bede (VII century) presents in a relatively short form a depiction of the end of times which is similar to what we found in the biblical Book of Revelation. I think it is a good illustration of how the last seven trumps (XV-XXI) could be related to an eschatological narrative.

The full Latin text is available on mlat.uzh.ch.

The following English translation comes from this page (possibly based on a slightly different Latin version): https://sites.google.com/site/canilup/h ... ne-sibyl-1

The prophetic verses at the end also appear in Augustine's City of God (Book XVIII, 23). I copied the translation from: http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/120118.htm
These verses (“Iudicii signum: tellus sudore madescet”) were quite popular in medieval times. In Augustine's version, “the initial letters of the lines [are] so arranged that these words could be read in them: ᾿Ιησοῦς Χριστος Θεοῦ υιὸς σωτηρ, which means, Jesus Christ the Son of God, the Saviour” (i.e. The sentence that forms the Ichtys / Fish achronim).

This is an amazingly beautiful X Century composition based on this prophecy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COiHGmTaUT8

I highlight in bold a few words hinting to a possible parallel with the tarot trumps.

In that time a prince of iniquity, who will be called Antichrist, [XV] will rise up from the tribe of Dan. He will be a son of perdition, the head of pride, the master of error, the fullness of malice, who will subvert the earth and will do prodigies and great signs by means of false simulations. He will delude many through the art of magic so that fire will seem to descend from heaven.[XVI] And the years will be reduced as if they were months, and the months as if weeks, and the weeks as if days, and the days like hours, and the hours like points. And the foul peoples, that is, Gog and Magog, which Alexander as king of India enclosed, will rise us from the north. These are the 22 kingdoms [should be 12, “duodecim”], whose number is like the sand of the sea. When the king of the Romans shall have heard of this, assembling his army he will attack them and lay them low to the point of annihilation and afterward he will come to Jerusalem and, with his diadem and all of his royal regalia deposited there, he will surrender the kingdom of the Christians to God the Father and to Jesus Christ, his Son. And when the empire of the Romans shall have ceased, then Antichrist will be clearly revealed and he will sit in the house of the Lord in Jerusalem. With him ruling, the two most excellent men Elijah and Enoch will come forth to announce the coming of the Lord and Antichrist will kill them, and after three days they will be resurrected by the Lord. Then there will be a great persecution, the likes of which never happened before of since. But the Lord will shorten those days on account of the elect and Antichrist will be killed by the power of the Lord, by the arcangel Michael in the Mount of Olives.
When the Sibyl had predicted to the Romans these things and many other things to come, and by which signs the Lord would come for the sake of judging, she thundered, saying by way of prophecy:

Ι Judgment shall moisten the earth with the sweat of its standard,
Η Ever enduring, behold the King shall come through the ages,
Σ Sent to be here in the flesh, and Judge at the last of the world.
Ο O God, the believing and faithless alike shall behold You
Υ Uplifted with saints, when at last the ages are ended.
Σ Seated before Him are souls in the flesh for His judgment.

Χ Hid in thick vapors, the while desolate lies the earth.
Ρ Rejected by men are the idols and long hidden treasures;
Ε Earth is consumed by the fire, and it searches the ocean and heaven;
Ι Issuing forth, it destroys the terrible portals of hell.
Σ Saints in their body and soul freedom and light shall inherit;
Τ Those who are guilty shall burn in fire and brimstone for ever.
Ο Occult actions revealing, each one shall publish his secrets;
Σ Secrets of every man's heart God shall reveal in the light.

Θ Then shall be weeping and wailing, yea, and gnashing of teeth;
Ε Eclipsed is the sun, and silenced the stars in their chorus. [XIX, XVII]
Ο Over and gone is the splendor of moonlight, [XVIII] melted the heaven,
Υ Uplifted by Him are the valleys, and cast down the mountains.

Υ Utterly gone among men are distinctions of lofty and lowly.
Ι Into the plains rush the hills, the skies and oceans are mingled.
Ο Oh, what an end of all things! earth broken in pieces shall perish;
Σ Swelling together at once shall the waters and flames flow in rivers.

Σ Sounding the archangel's trumpet shall peal down from heaven, [XX]
Ω Over the wicked who groan in their guilt and their manifold sorrows.
Τ Trembling, the earth shall be opened, revealing chaos and hell.
Η Every king before God shall stand in that day to be judged.
Ρ Rivers of fire and brimstone shall fall from the heavens.
 
Then the Lord will judge according to the work of each one [XX] and the impious will go to the hell of eternal fire and the just will receive the reward of eternal life.  And there will be a new heaven and a new earth [XXI] and both will remain in perpetuity, and the sea will no longer exist and the Lord will rule with his saints and these same ones will rule with him forever and ever. Amen.

Re: 15 Signs of last judgment

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I have collected a few links about the Fifteen Signs before Doomsday. Apparently, the most ancient source is Petrus Damianus.

* Petrus Damianus (1007-1072) - Opusculum 59. De Novissimis Et Antichristo [Latin]
http://www.documentacatholicaomnia.eu/0 ... T.pdf.html

* Thomas Aquinas (1225-1274) - Summa Teologica - Questio 73 [Latin in English translation]:
http://www.newadvent.org/summa/5073.htm

* Jacopo De Voragine (1230-1298) - “the Golden Legend”, ch. 1 “About the second coming” [Latin in English translation]:
http://books.google.it/books?id=RwwSMTL2Wy4C
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/go ... advent.asp
http://books.google.it/books?id=2G8SAAAAYAAJ (p.6 Latin)

* Bono Giamboni (1240-92 ) - “Della miseria dell'uomo” (About the misery of man) VIII,3 [Italian]:
http://books.google.it/books?id=6uwtAAAAYAAJ
http://www.classicitaliani.it/Giamboni/miseria_uomo.htm

* Anonymous Livre de la Vigne Nostre Signeur (1460 ca) Bodleian Library – the great manuscript posted by Huck [French]

* Antichristus et quindecim signa (en castellano:) Libro del Anticristo 1497 - Spanish woodblock book with interesting illustrations - p.129 [Spanish]

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It seems useful to revive this thread to the "15 Signs of the last judgment", a text, which became very popular in 14th century (though, as it seems to me, not very much in Italy). There are some parallels to the later Tarot sequence, and there are pictures:

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Picture number 20

... with similarities to the Judgment card, and ...

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Picture number 22

... this looks a little bit like Petrarca's Eternity.
Huck
http://trionfi.com

Re: 15 Signs of last judgment

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It seems useful to revive this thread to the "15 Signs of the last judgment", a text, which became very popular in 14th century (though, as it seems to me, not very much in Italy). There are some parallels to the later Tarot sequence, and there are pictures:

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Picture number 20

... with similarities to the Judgment card, and ...

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Picture number 22

... this looks a little bit like Petrarca's Eternity.

Compare the actual situation of the discussion about the Justice and Judgment cards in the PMB:
... viewtopic.php?f=11&t=345&start=280#p17682

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btw. I detected a table-picture to the 15 signs done before 1515 ...
http://www.inschriften.net/rhein-hunsru ... ml#content
more pictures at the link (click on the picture)

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Another representation ...

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https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heimatmuseum_Vilsbiburg
Huck
http://trionfi.com
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