Re: Reading from the rest of the Coffee
Posted: 15 Aug 2012, 09:19
hi Mary,Mary Greer wrote:Here's some more on Tamponelli:
http://books.google.com/books?id=BVtcAA ... Tamponelli
from an 1864 French book. Can anyone translate this section?
Seems to be less relevant and informative (Tamponelli is just noted) than the given webpage ..
http://cafe-turc.pagespro-orange.fr/ani ... selda.html
.. which could be used for google-translation
The web page notes the name Charles Nisard and a text, which he (or his book partner Marie Leonhard ?) wrote and published 1854. This text should be here:
http://books.google.de/books?id=6elRAAA ... A9&f=false
The web page notes a further name: Collin de Plancy, which should be ..
... a person with the complex name Jacques Albin Simon Collin de Plancy (elsewhere I read, tha Jacques Albin Simon was a pseudonym.
For the year 1826 (given at the webpage) I found this work ...
Les trente-cinq contes d'un perroquet: contes Persans
Clotilde-Marie Collin de Plancy
Mongie, 1826 - 256 pages
http://books.google.de/books?id=O5s1NQA ... edir_esc=y
This puzzles me ... "trente-cinq" = "35" appeared in other coffee reading contexts and the author's name indicates a woman, not a man. But it is the same producer "Mongie", given by the webpage as "Librairie Universelle de P. Mongie Ainé - Paris"
"Perroquet" are birds ...
but it has also other meanings
On this list by worldcat I found the name "Collin de Plancy" connected to 101 editions for the years 1825-27 alone !!!!
http://www.worldcat.org/search?q=au%3AC ... umber_link
Not really imaginable, that he wrote these all by his own hands ... :-) ... somehow he was just only the printer or publisher in many cases, I would assume.
I find a work:
L'Art de tirer les cartes et les tarots, ou Cartomancie française, égyptienne, italienne et allemande... par Aldegonde Pérenna,... publié par M. Collin de Plancy,...
by Jacques-Albin-Simon Collin de Plancy
Publisher: Paris : P. Mongie aîné, 1826.
... and I look at DDD, Wicked pack of cards, and yes, they have it: p. 144-147, with a biography of Collin and also of his female cousin (in real life: Gabrielle de Paban), who wrote the Tarot book.
I find again:
Les trente-cinq contes d'un perroquet, ouvrage pub. à Calcutta, en persan et en anglais;
by Ḳādirī Muḥammad Khudāvand; Clotilde Marie Collin de Plancy
Publisher: Paris, P. Mongie, ainé, 1826.
... published in Persian and English language. This seems to be a fairy tale story collection with 35 stories, told by a "Perroquet" ...
http://books.google.de/books/about/%E1% ... edir_esc=y
... related to the same original 35-tales-"Papageienbuch", a Codex housed in Munich.
So this likely has nothing to do with the coffee reading system (?), though it would likely make up some good coffee reading stories: Here's something on English about it. Well, Persia had some importance in th distribution of coffee during 16th century.
http://persian.packhum.org/persian/main ... %26ct%3D63
Then I find:
Dictionnaire infernal ou, bibliotheque universelle, sur les etres, les personnages, les livres, les faits et les choses qui tiennent aux apparitions, a la magie, au commerce de l'enfer, aux divinations, aux sciences secretes, ... 2e ed. ent. refondue.
Author: J -A -S Collin de Plancy
Publisher: Paris P Mongie Aine 1825-1826.
This should contain the coffee reading passage.
I get here the editions of 1844 and 1863 and not the versions of 1826.
http://gallica.bnf.fr/Search?idArk=&n=1 ... eFin=&tri=
I get here a description of the version of 1826:
I find a "AUX DIVINATIONS" in the description, but no note about Cartomancy or Coffee reading.
In the version 1844 I find this article:
The next name noted is L'Abbe Migne
It should be this:
Encyclopédie théologique, ou série de dictionnaires... by Jacques Paul MIGNE
Encyclopédie théologique, ou série de dictionnaires sur toutes les parties de la science religieuse. ... Publiée par M. l'Abbé Migne.
by Jacques Paul MIGNE
Publisher: Paris, 1844-49.
I give up on searching this passage, the website has a curious way to address their references. Migne had written a lot dictionaries.