Re: collection Germany/Austria/Switzerland

#31
Switzerland

Peter F. Kopp (1986)
Die drei ältesten Innerschweizer Kartenspiele und ihre Regeln
http://www.e-periodica.ch/digbib/view?v ... 39::364#25
Interesting ... but no note about Bern-1367, 3 Swiss card games

Peter F. Kopp (1977)
Basler Spielkartenfunde: Nachlese der Sommerausstellung 1976 im Kirschgarten-Ausstellung
Basler Zeitschrift für Geschichte und Altertumskunde, Volume 77 (1977)
http://www.e-periodica.ch/digbib/view?p ... :77::48#48
... summary in the John of Rheinfelden questions, pictures of old playing cards in Basel

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Basler Stadtbote (messenger of the city council in Basel) playing card c. 1470, oldest card of Basel
Huck
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Re: collection Germany/Austria/Switzerland

#32
Thanks. These are jpg's, so downloadable as they stand. I will try to produce OCR versions of these articles so I can read them.

But before I do, is there any possibility that the Zeitschrift fur Schweizerische Archaeologie und Kunstgeschichte is available online for the 1970s, for Rosenfeld's article there (vol. 32, 1975, pp. 179-80) and Kopp's (vol. 30, 1973, pp. 130-45)?

Re: collection Germany/Austria/Switzerland

#33
I gave them already. You can export the pdf to a word-file, at least in my version of Adobe.

Rosenfeld: Entgegnung
http://www.e-periodica.ch/digbib/view?v ... 2::366#189
The answer of Kopp in 1976 ...
"Zu den frühesten Spielkarten in der Schweiz : Erwiderung auf H. Rosenfelds Entgegnung. "
.... you find here:
http://www.e-periodica.ch/cntmng?pid=za ... 76:33::337
Another text of Kopp: Book-review
http://www.e-periodica.ch/digbib/view?p ... 0::397#397

ha,
I found Kopp's text of 1973
http://www.e-periodica.ch/digbib/view?p ... 0::142#142

... and here is the real text of the long searched 1367-document:

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Kopp's text also contains a longer description of the JvR text of 1377.

Further texts by Peter F. Kopp:

"Flüßlis" - Vom politischen Spiel der Mächte zum Trinkspiel der Muotaler
http://www.e-periodica.ch/digbib/view?p ... 5::113#113


http://www.e-periodica.ch/digbib/view?p ... 5::113#113
Huck
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Re: collection Germany/Austria/Switzerland

#34
Huck wrote:
24 May 2012, 16:29
All are difficult to date. A deck made by Lachapella is given to "perhaps 1715" and the deck of Laboisse is considered earlier. The figure of Printemps uses elements of a picture "Nicolas de Largillière: La belle Strasbourgeoise" (made in 1703; but the card uses uses not the big hat).
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Well - there is the ribbon laced front of the dress, but otherwise I don't see that it is particularly close - closer I think are some of his portraits of women as 'flora', for example:

The first I don't know the date, the second is dated 1690 in one source, and 1712 in another!?- some aspects are even closer to Laboisse if you flip the image horizontal:
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Re: collection Germany/Austria/Switzerland

#35
Huck wrote:
04 May 2012, 10:38

Thierry Depaulis wrote in 2010 an article "When (and how) Tarot reached Germany" (IPSC 39/2, starting p. 64). The article is excellent, it helps here to develop a basic line of German/Austrian Tarock development.
Depaulis has since uploaded this article, together with some others, at the academiaDOTedu site:

https://independent.academia.edu/ThierryDepaulis
Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal; bad poets deface what they take, and good poets make it into something better, or at least something different.
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