Huck wrote:Bertrand wrote:Hello,
The Fante initial has been pointed by Depaulis, this sound undoubtedly like an Italian origin evidence, he also describes the pips as "of Spanish inspiration" (I'd really like to see some more evidences about that last point if anyone has something handy, specifically regarding the four Aces (ars) and both the 2 of Épées and Bâtons).
On 30 June 1559, at the Place Royale at the Hôtel des Tournelles, during a match to celebrate the Peace of Cateau-Cambrésis with his longtime enemies, the Habsburgs of Austria, and to celebrate the marriage of his daughter Elisabeth of Valois to King Philip II of Spain, King Henry was mortally wounded by the lance of Gabriel Montgomery, captain of the King's Scottish Guard.
Hervé Sernin wrote:For those that don't allready have the tarot anonyme de Paris I found this beautiful tarot deck on this website :
There is also on this website a little commentary, unfortunately not translated in french, but interesting I believe.
Jim Schulman wrote:I have a really dumb question, not related to the deck's dating.
This is a deck that references many early designs from German and Italian playing cards, along with trumps from several hand painted decks (e.g. the incredible world card, that has four putti, a drape and naked lady standing on a globe, as if every previous design is being referenced and combined), along with some classicized designs I've never seen before (e.g. the standing Romanized emperor and empress).
It seems almost too rich, detailed and multi-sourced for a simple printed deck; is it a copy of a hand painted one that was originally made for a collector or someone with access to many expensive decks that he or she could show to the card painter?
Huck wrote:But the quality of the surviving deck let's one assume, that it very likely wasn't the one and only and "very fine" triumph deck for this wedding. .. so there's just the reason to assume a "later copy" ... perhaps. Or that it had been a celebration deck of a "lower level".
Jim Schulman wrote:Huck wrote:But the quality of the surviving deck let's one assume, that it very likely wasn't the one and only and "very fine" triumph deck for this wedding. .. so there's just the reason to assume a "later copy" ... perhaps. Or that it had been a celebration deck of a "lower level".
So, whatever the dates, the printed decks are probably copies of an earlier hand painted deck.
Is this common? Do more card makers have access to hand painted or other high quality decks for use as models. Much of the printing history seems to be of card makers copying/restoring/reimagining decks from damaged woodblocks or poorly preserved cards. The use of valuable, high quality past decks as models would act as a better preservative of early iconographies.
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