The Fante initial has been pointed by Depaulis, this sound undoubtedly like an Italian origin evidence, he also describes the pips as "of Spanish inspiration" (I'd really like to see some more evidences about that last point if anyone has something handy, specifically regarding the four Aces (ars) and both the 2 of Épées and Bâtons).
Pen wrote:So much research, Huck. Bear with me please, as I'd never catch up if I spent the rest of my life trying, and this is just a thought...
Can we date the coins featuring three fleur de lis and depicted on the deniers courts with any accuracy? I found one online Here - the date given is 'probably 17th century', which is not too helpful, especially if there were similar earlier ones.
I'm not sure, if I understand the question.
Pen wrote:Huck wrote:I'm not sure, if I understand the question.
Is it not possible that the deck as we know it today was not made to celebrate an important event - that a card maker simply published an uncommissioned deck? The heraldic coins could have been copied from an earlier time or an existing deck (or part of an existing deck), but it would hardly be possible to anticipate future coins. If the latest coins could be dated with accuracy that date would be more reliable than using the dates of the earliest to date the creation of the deck as we know it today.
Edited to add that the panel and banner on the 2 and 4 of coins look incomplete, as if lettering either broke off the woodblock or was removed - for whatever reason. It is a very special deck - it's amazing to be able to date it to 1559, but it would be good to know the whole story if there is one. Leave no turn unstoned... :smile:
Pen wrote:Thanks Huck, I must reread this thread and catch up with some others.
The linework seems consistent in style, quality and detail throughout the deck, which would suggest that the deck is complete and without later additions. And 1559 is too early for Olimpia Maidalchini to be the inspiration for La Papessa.
The maker's name being missing from the relevant cards may indicate that this was removed because the deck in the collection was printed from woodblocks that had been bought in or taken over by a different card maker from the original. I think this may have been discussed before though.
Huck wrote: ...and you claim, that the sister-of-law of pope Innocenz X has something to do do with the Papessa of the Tarot de Paris.
Perhaps I don't understand your argument. I don't know, why you're fixed on the Tarot de Paris.
What's so remarkable with the Tarot de Paris Papessa?
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