Re: Please help ... French Tarot dates 1500 - 1659

#51
I try to clean up a little bit:

This was an older list, merged by the list of Ross and some comments of Marcos:
1505. Avignon. Taraux (anonymous account-keeper; Chobaut, Depaulis) ... Ross

1534. Lyon. Tarau (Rabelais (southerner) MA 131) ... Ross

1553. Paris. Tarault (Estienne; MA 131) ... Ross
"Lo stampatore francese Charles Estiene faceva riferimento nella sua opera Paradoxes all "inventore delle carte italiane con cui si fa un gioco di chiamato 'le Tarault'". ... Marcos

c.1560. Paris. Tarot. Tarots (Neux, Depaulis (VxP); MA 131) ... Ross
??? 1559. The translation to French of "The pasquinata anonima sul conclave". ... Marcos

c.1560 Paris. Tarots (Christophe de Bordeaux; MA 132) ... Ross

1564. ?. 1565. Lyon. Tarots (Ps.(?)-Rabelais; MA 132) ... Ross
The bock V of Gargantua et Pantagruel. ... Marcos

1576. Paris. Tarot (Champenois (Straparola) ; MA 132) ... Ross
1574. Pierre de Larivey Champenois "ideo e pubblico un indovinello la cui soluzione era il gioco del Tarocco". (In Giovanni Francesco Straparola, Les facétieuses nuits. Paris, 1576). ... Marcos

1578. Lyon. Tarots (Guil. des Autels; MA 132) ... Ross

1579. Paris. Tarots (Ladurie; MA 132-3) ... Ross
Le Roy Ladurie "ha citato una deposizione in tribunale che accenna a un gioco di Tarocchi a cui presero parte due gentiluomini e che ebbe luogo in una locanda di Grenoble nell'anno 1579). ... Marcos

1579. Saint-André (Toulouse). Tarots (Garrisson-Estè be (1980); MA 133) ... Ross
A complaint in Saint-Andre, near Tolosa. ... Marcos

1583. Paris. Tarots (Tabourot; MA 133) ... Ross
Étienne Tabourot in Bigarrures mentioned a Tarots

1583. Paris. Tarot (Gauchet; MA 133) ... Ross
Claude Gauchet, Le plaisir des champs. "ci sono al meno 4 riferimenti al gioco dei Tarocchi". ... ... Marcos

1583. Paris. Tarotz (Henri III; MA 133-4) ... Ross

1585. Paris. Tarots (Perrache; MA 134) ... Ross
1585. Jacques Perrache. Le Triomphe du berlan. "Contiene due allusioni al gioco dei Tarocchi, una nella forma interesante 'sette tarocchi" in una lista di premi nei giochi di carte (I sette tarocchi sarebbero stati il XXI, il Bagatto, il Matto, e i quatro Re: il Germania il gioco dei Tarochi veniva chiamato talvolta il 'Siebenkönigsspiel' cioe, il gioco dei sette Re)" <----------- ....mmm.... It seem very interesting.

1585. ?. Taraux (Cholières; MA 134) ... Ross

1592. London. Tarots (Delamothe; MA 134) ... Ross
(a bock publisher in England). "The French Alpabeth": con dialoghi bilingui, comprendeva la domanda: 'A che gioco volete giocare: Volete giocare alla Dama, ai Dadi, ai Tarocchi, agli Scachi...". ... Marcos

1595. ?. Tarot (Le Poulchre; MA 134) ... Ross

1607. Oxford. Taraux (Cleland; MA 134-5) ... Ross

1622. Paris. Tarots (Garasse; MA 135) ... Ross

1622. Lyon. Tarotz (D'Allemagne II, 246) ... Ross

1637. Paris. Tarots (De Marolles) ... Ross

1650. Lyon. Taros (D'Allemagne II, 258) ... Ross

1659. Paris. Taros (Maison Academique des Jeux) ... Ross
I added at page 1, post 1
New to the list

1527 and 1530: Notes of Philibert in Italy
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=747&p=10702&hilit=philibert#p10702

1538: an insecure note of Juan d'Alman at the French court
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=611&p=10638&hilit=alman#p10638

1599: Notes around Catelin Geoffroy in Lorraine
(see below)

1655: The physician of Louis XIV, Pierre Borel, dictionary, often reprinted
Image

http://books.google.com/books?id=sJBbAA ... ds&f=false

1657: Marolles Tarot Ballett
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=751&p=10705&hilit=marolles#p10705

... which I merge now to a new list:
1505. Avignon. Taraux (anonymous account-keeper; Chobaut, Depaulis) ... Ross

1527 and 1530: Notes of Philibert in Italy
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=747&p=10702&hilit=philibert#p10702
... Huck at this thread page 1, post 1

1534. Lyon. Tarau (Rabelais (southerner) MA 131) ... Ross

1553. Paris. Tarault (Estienne; MA 131) ... Ross
"Lo stampatore francese Charles Estiene faceva riferimento nella sua opera Paradoxes all "inventore delle carte italiane con cui si fa un gioco di chiamato 'le Tarault'". ... Marcos

c.1560. Paris. Tarot. Tarots (Neux, Depaulis (VxP); MA 131) ... Ross
??? 1559. The translation to French of "The pasquinata anonima sul conclave". ... Marcos

c.1560 Paris. Tarots (Christophe de Bordeaux; MA 132) ... Ross

1564. ?. 1565. Lyon. Tarots (Ps.(?)-Rabelais; MA 132) ... Ross
The bock V of Gargantua et Pantagruel. ... Marcos

1576. Paris. Tarot (Champenois (Straparola) ; MA 132) ... Ross
1574. Pierre de Larivey Champenois "ideo e pubblico un indovinello la cui soluzione era il gioco del Tarocco". (In Giovanni Francesco Straparola, Les facétieuses nuits. Paris, 1576). ... Marcos

1578. Lyon. Tarots (Guil. des Autels; MA 132) ... Ross

1579. Paris. Tarots (Ladurie; MA 132-3) ... Ross
Le Roy Ladurie "ha citato una deposizione in tribunale che accenna a un gioco di Tarocchi a cui presero parte due gentiluomini e che ebbe luogo in una locanda di Grenoble nell'anno 1579). ... Marcos

1579. Saint-André (Toulouse). Tarots (Garrisson-Estè be (1980); MA 133) ... Ross
A complaint in Saint-Andre, near Tolosa. ... Marcos

1583. Paris. Tarots (Tabourot; MA 133) ... Ross
Étienne Tabourot in Bigarrures mentioned a Tarots

1583. Paris. Tarot (Gauchet; MA 133) ... Ross
Claude Gauchet, Le plaisir des champs. "ci sono al meno 4 riferimenti al gioco dei Tarocchi". ... ... Marcos

1583. Paris. Tarotz (Henri III; MA 133-4) ... Ross

1585. Paris. Tarots (Perrache; MA 134) ... Ross
1585. Jacques Perrache. Le Triomphe du berlan. "Contiene due allusioni al gioco dei Tarocchi, una nella forma interesante 'sette tarocchi" in una lista di premi nei giochi di carte (I sette tarocchi sarebbero stati il XXI, il Bagatto, il Matto, e i quatro Re: il Germania il gioco dei Tarochi veniva chiamato talvolta il 'Siebenkönigsspiel' cioe, il gioco dei sette Re)" <----------- ....mmm.... It seem very interesting.

1585. ?. Taraux (Cholières; MA 134) ... Ross

1592. London. Tarots (Delamothe; MA 134) ... Ross
(a bock publisher in England). "The French Alpabeth": con dialoghi bilingui, comprendeva la domanda: 'A che gioco volete giocare: Volete giocare alla Dama, ai Dadi, ai Tarocchi, agli Scachi...". ... Marcos

1595. ?. Tarot (Le Poulchre; MA 134) ... Ross

1599: Notes around Catelin Geoffroy in Lorraine
(see below) ... viewtopic.php?f=11&t=754&start=0
...... Huck at this thread page 1, post 1

1607. Oxford. Taraux (Cleland; MA 134-5) ... Ross

1622. Paris. Tarots (Garasse; MA 135) ... Ross

1622. Lyon. Tarotz (D'Allemagne II, 246) ... Ross

1637. Paris. Tarots (De Marolles) ... Ross

1650. Lyon. Taros (D'Allemagne II, 258) ... Ross

1655: The physician of Louis XIV, Pierre Borel, dictionary, often reprinted
Image

http://books.google.com/books?id=sJBbAA ... ds&f=false
... Huck at this thread page 1, post 1

1657: Marolles Tarot Ballett
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=751&p=10705&hilit=marolles#p10705
... Huck at this thread page 1, post 1

1659. Paris. Taros (Maison Academique des Jeux) ... Ross
Now I add to this the results from my recent escapade: 1600 - 1664, so actually "what's new with the current page 5"
1505. Avignon. Taraux (anonymous account-keeper; Chobaut, Depaulis) ... Ross

1527 and 1530: Notes of Philibert in Italy
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=747&p=10702&hilit=philibert#p10702
... Huck at this thread page 1, post 1

1534. Lyon. Tarau (Rabelais (southerner) MA 131) ... Ross

1553. Paris. Tarault (Estienne; MA 131) ... Ross
"Lo stampatore francese Charles Estiene faceva riferimento nella sua opera Paradoxes all "inventore delle carte italiane con cui si fa un gioco di chiamato 'le Tarault'". ... Marcos

c.1560. Paris. Tarot. Tarots (Neux, Depaulis (VxP); MA 131) ... Ross
??? 1559. The translation to French of "The pasquinata anonima sul conclave". ... Marcos

c.1560 Paris. Tarots (Christophe de Bordeaux; MA 132) ... Ross

1564. ?. 1565. Lyon. Tarots (Ps.(?)-Rabelais; MA 132) ... Ross
The bock V of Gargantua et Pantagruel. ... Marcos

1574. Pierre de Larivey Champenois "ideo e pubblico un indovinello la cui soluzione era il gioco del Tarocco". (In Giovanni Francesco Straparola, Les facétieuses nuits. Paris, 1576). ... Marcos

1576. Paris. Tarot (Champenois (Straparola) ; MA 132) ... Ross

1578. Lyon. Tarots (Guil. des Autels; MA 132) ... Ross

1579. Paris. Tarots (Ladurie; MA 132-3) ... Ross
Le Roy Ladurie "ha citato una deposizione in tribunale che accenna a un gioco di Tarocchi a cui presero parte due gentiluomini e che ebbe luogo in una locanda di Grenoble nell'anno 1579). ... Marcos

1579. Saint-André (Toulouse). Tarots (Garrisson-Estè be (1980); MA 133) ... Ross
A complaint in Saint-Andre, near Tolosa. ... Marcos

1583. Paris. Tarots (Tabourot; MA 133) ... Ross
Étienne Tabourot in Bigarrures mentioned a Tarots

1583. Paris. Tarot (Gauchet; MA 133) ... Ross
Claude Gauchet, Le plaisir des champs. "ci sono al meno 4 riferimenti al gioco dei Tarocchi". ... ... Marcos

1583. Paris. Tarotz (Henri III; MA 133-4) ... Ross

1585. Paris. Tarots (Perrache; MA 134) ... Ross
1585. Jacques Perrache. Le Triomphe du berlan. "Contiene due allusioni al gioco dei Tarocchi, una nella forma interesante 'sette tarocchi" in una lista di premi nei giochi di carte (I sette tarocchi sarebbero stati il XXI, il Bagatto, il Matto, e i quatro Re: il Germania il gioco dei Tarochi veniva chiamato talvolta il 'Siebenkönigsspiel' cioe, il gioco dei sette Re)" <----------- ....mmm.... It seem very interesting.

1585. ?. Taraux (Cholières; MA 134) ... Ross

1592. London. Tarots (Delamothe; MA 134) ... Ross
(a bock publisher in England). "The French Alpabeth": con dialoghi bilingui, comprendeva la domanda: 'A che gioco volete giocare: Volete giocare alla Dama, ai Dadi, ai Tarocchi, agli Scachi...". ... Marcos

1595. ?. Tarot (Le Poulchre; MA 134) ... Ross

1599: Notes around Catelin Geoffroy in Lorraine
(see below) ... viewtopic.php?f=11&t=754&start=0
...... Huck at this thread page 1, post 1
1.
Mémoires de la Société des sciences, lettres et arts de Nancy
By Société des sciences, lettres et arts de Nancy (1851)
http://books.google.com/books?id=mz9FAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA74
... after the selected texts are others, which also relate to playing card history
2.
Histoire des villes vieille et neuve de Nancy
By Jean Jacques Bouvier, also called Abbé Lionnais
This also reports about the Catelin Geoffroy notes from Lorraine, but the interesting part is, that this author takes it as necessary to explain his readers, what Tarot is. These cards, so the author, come from Allemands and Suisse. The book is from 1811, but it might have written earlier. A first publication of the author I found for 1767 (so the author might have been dead in 1811. He may have been contemporary to Gebelin, perhaps somebody finds better data.
http://books.google.com/books?id=byMTAA ... cy&f=false

1603/05. Basilicon doron, ou présent royal, instruction au prince Henry son fils pour bien régner
by James I (Roi d'Angleterre), Jean Hotman (sieur de Villiers Saint Paul) (1603/1605)
http://books.google.de/books?id=g_I8AAA ... ts&f=false
http://a-tarot.eu/p/2012/tarots/tarots- ... h-king.jpg
This seems remarkable, as it is written by the English king James I for his son. James I anyway expressed the opinion, that he couldn't see the higher value of chess against card playing.

1604. Le soldat françois
Pierre de Lostal (1604)
http://books.google.de/books?id=sINAAAA ... ts&f=false
http://a-tarot.eu/p/2012/tarots/tarots- ... lostal.jpg

Claude Duret 1605
http://books.google.de/books?id=aLECWaE ... ts&f=false
http://a-tarot.eu/p/2012/tarots/tarots- ... plants.jpg
I found this curious, why the game of Tarot appeared in a book about plants. I remembered, that some French playing cards had plants as motifs. Were there also Tarot cards with plants?

1607. Oxford. Taraux (Cleland; MA 134-5) ... Ross

1608. L'Heureuse conversion des Huguenots, qui ont cogneu l'abus de la pretendue Religion... avec la saincte messe en françois (et en latin)... par Iacques d'Illaire...
Jacques d' Illaire, Couvent des Carmes déchaussés, Rigaud (1608)
http://books.google.de/books?id=jbfxPIB ... ts&f=false
http://a-tarot.eu/p/2012/tarots/tarots- ... uenots.jpg
I wondered, what the Huguenots had to do with Tarot. ... Huck

Jean Hotman 1616
Opuscules françoises des Hotmans:
L'Antitribonnian, ou discours de ce grand et renommé jurisconsulte François Hotman, sur l'estude des loix
http://books.google.de/books?id=xeYWHr6 ... ts&f=false
http://a-tarot.eu/p/2012/tarots/tarots-1616-hotman.jpg
The name Jean Hotman appeared also in the work of James I 1603/05

1617. Treize Livres des parlements de France, ès quels est amplement traité de leur origine et institution, et des présidents, conseillers, gens du roi, greffiers, secrétaires, huissiers et autres officiers
Bernard de La Roche-Flavin 1617
http://books.google.de/books?id=hrX42ey ... ts&f=false
http://a-tarot.eu/p/2012/tarots/tarots- ... w-1566.jpg
This seems of special interests, as it reports, that the French king Charles IX had prohibited Tarots (and some other game) at his court.

1619. Le franc-archer de la vraye Eglise: contre les abus et énormités de la fausse
Anthoine Fusi 1619
http://books.google.de/books?id=Du0UAAA ... ts&f=false

1622. Paris. Tarots (Garasse; MA 135) ... Ross
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=754&start=45
... ... Huck at this thread page 5, post 45
Les recherches des Recherches & autres œuures de me Estienne Pasqvier
By François Garasse (1622)
http://books.google.de/books?id=LNUcAQA ... ts&f=false

1622. Lyon. Tarotz (D'Allemagne II, 246) ... Ross

1623. Le verger des colloques recreatifs, comprins en douze chapitres, tres-propre, gentil, & utile, pour toutes sortes de gens, en langue Françoise & Italienne
Gomes de Trier (1623)
http://books.google.de/books?id=KnNOAAA ... ts&f=false
http://a-tarot.eu/p/2012/tarots/tarots-1623-trier.jpg
http://a-tarot.eu/p/2012/tarots/tarots-1623-trier-2.jpg

1628. Factum pour Nicolas de Montruit, marchand grossier privilégié suivant la cour, demandeur et complaignant, contre maître Jacques Le Duchat, fermier général de l'impôt des cartes, dés et tarots, défendeur et accusé, Laurent Morieux et Robert Passerel, maîtres cartiers à Paris, aussi défendeurs et accusés (1628)
http://books.google.de/books?id=0lEBuAA ... edir_esc=y
No preview
I was interested, as the name Passerel appeared in an juristic case.

1637. Paris. Tarots (De Marolles) ... Ross

1644. Les contes aux heures perdues: Contenant Plusieurs Naifuetez, Simplicitez, Equiuoques ... qui ont esté oubliées au premier et deuxiesme Volume, Volume 3
Antoine Le Metel D'Ouville (1644)
http://books.google.de/books?id=Agw6AAA ... ts&f=false
http://a-tarot.eu/p/2012/tarots/tarots- ... iville.jpg

1650. Lyon. Taros (D'Allemagne II, 258) ... Ross

1651. Recueil très-exact ... de tout ce qui s'est fait ... en l'assemblée generale des estats, tenus à Paris ... 1614
Florimond Rapine (1651)
http://books.google.de/books?id=M8hBAAA ... ts&f=false
http://a-tarot.eu/p/2012/tarots/2-1614-1651.jpg
Just a later edition of an earlier text. Something happened with king Henry III in 1587. Somehow Tarots seem to have played a (minor ?) role.

1653. Rabelais translation to English - 5th book (1653)
http://books.google.de/books?id=USmgAAA ... ts&f=false
http://a-tarot.eu/p/2012/tarots/2-rabelais.jpg
http://a-tarot.eu/p/2012/tarots/2-rabelais-2.jpg
http://a-tarot.eu/p/2012/tarots/2-rabelais-3.jpg
Rabelais, just nice with some pictures.

1655: The physician of Louis XIV, Pierre Borel, dictionary, often reprinted
Image

http://books.google.com/books?id=sJBbAA ... ds&f=false
... Huck at this thread, page 1, post 1

1657: Marolles Tarot Ballett
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=751&p=10705&hilit=marolles#p10705
... Huck at this thread, page 1, post 1
Memoires: Avec Des Notes Historiques Et Critiques, Volume 3 (1657)
by Michel de Marolles
http://books.google.com/books?id=Sfk_AAAAcAAJ
Page 127-156
1659. Paris. Taros (Maison Academique des Jeux) ... Ross
(Material to versions 1659, 1654, 1702)
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=754&start=43
... ... Huck at this thread page 5, post 43

1660/1664 La chorographie ou description de Provence, et l'histoire chronologique du même pays
Honoré Bouche, C. David, 1664 ... the passage reports the year 1660
http://books.google.de/books?id=p2HyHLJ ... ts&f=false
http://a-tarot.eu/p/2012/tarots/2-1664-provence.jpg
This might have influenced the situation of Marseille.

1661. Déclaration touchant la fabrication des cartes à jouer, tarots et dés.
France, Louis XIV (roi de France)(1661)
http://books.google.de/books?id=rTZqQwA ... edir_esc=y
no preview
Might be important.
So far this seems to be an improvement, though further steps might be necessary to include material, which was discussed and presented in other parts of the thread. So this sorting work will proceed.
I'm definitely interested to include comments from native French speakers, as I'm from my French language understanding really not always competent enough to understand the contexts.
Huck
http://trionfi.com

Re: Please help ... French Tarot dates 1500 - 1659

#52
The post of yesterday was altered considerably today (Saturday, 14 April).

This version might be altered soon.

I'm very interested in
"1574. Pierre de Larivey Champenois "ideo e pubblico un indovinello la cui soluzione era il gioco del Tarocco". (In Giovanni Francesco Straparola, Les facétieuses nuits. Paris, 1576). ... Marcos
1576. Paris. Tarot (Champenois (Straparola) ; MA 132) ... Ross"

1505. Avignon. Taraux (anonymous account-keeper; Chobaut, Depaulis) ... Ross
Avignon is at this time not part of France.

1527 and 1530: Notes of Philibert in Italy
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=747&p=10702&hilit=philibert#p10702
Philibert fights for the German emperor in Italy. The notes refer to events in Italy.
... Huck at this thread page 1, post 1

1529. Two letters of Agrippa of Nettesheim, which inform, that Agrippa had a dog with the name "Tarot". As this dog might have been in 1529 relative old, the name of the dog might reach back to Agrippa's time in Italy (late 1510's).
The matter was discussed:
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=754&start=10
The discussion was proceeded a longer time (with interruptions by other themes)

1534. Lyon. Tarau (Rabelais (southerner) MA 131) ... Ross

1553. Paris. Tarault (Estienne; MA 131) ... Ross
"Lo stampatore francese Charles Estiene faceva riferimento nella sua opera Paradoxes all "inventore delle carte italiane con cui si fa un gioco di chiamato 'le Tarault'". ... Marcos
In a 1553 Estienne edition:
http://books.google.de/books?id=WF46AAA ... lt&f=false
In a 1555 Estienne edition:
http://books.google.de/books?id=1hU6AAA ... lt&f=false
The passage was shown (modern) and discussed here:
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=754&p=10783&hilit=estienne#p10783
post 9 at the page
The work seems to be (at least in parts) a translation from "Paradossi, cioè sentenzie fuori del comun parere, novellamente venute in luce, la cui edizione princeps, contrariamente all’espressione ‘novellamente venute in luce’, apparve a Lione per i tipi di Giovanni Pullon da Trino nel 1543" by Ortensio Lando, which was discussed recently by Andrea Vitali:
http://www.letarot.it/page.aspx?id=312
.... in Italian language.
Paradossi (Ortensio Lando), version of 1550:
http://books.google.de/books?id=CiA8AAA ... sC&f=false
The relevant chapter is Nr. 5
Interestingly I found the word Tarault in a work of 1554 of Estienne:
http://books.google.de/books?id=wCU6AAAAcAAJ
... at page 357. I can't see any relevance to Tarot.
A further "Tarault" I found in the Robert Estienne (not Charles) dictionary from 1557 "Dictionariolum puerorum":
http://books.google.de/books?id=oRmb7d2 ... &q&f=false
"ung Tariere, ou Tarault, Terebra. Alii Terieri, Alii Terelle". In a 1549 edition: "Tariere"

1557. The deck of Catelin Geofroy in Lyon is dated to 1557 by an inscription on one card.

1559. According own research the Tarot de Paris should be dated to 1559.
Arguments at viewtopic.php?f=11&t=755

1559. A playing card trader in Rome sells his business with various items. Beside Italian cards he also offers French playing cards, but no French Tarot cards.
Report at ... viewtopic.php?f=11&t=654&p=9753&hilit=1559+rome#p9753

c.1560. Paris. Tarot. Tarots (Neux, Depaulis (VxP); MA 131) ... Ross
??? 1559. The translation to French of "The pasquinata anonima sul conclave". ... Marcos

c.1560 Paris. Tarots (Christophe de Bordeaux; MA 132) ... Ross
Discussed with more material
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=754&p=10784&hilit= ... aux#p10784

1564. ?. 1565. Lyon. Tarots (Ps.(?)-Rabelais; MA 132) ... Ross
The bock V of Gargantua et Pantagruel. ... Marcos
(English translation see under year 1653)

1566. According a text of 1617 (see there) the French king Charles IX had prohibited Tarots (and some other games) at his court.

1574. Mitistoire barragovyne de Fanfrelvche et Gaudichon ...
by Guillaume Des Autels
http://books.google.de/books?id=mL9LAAA ... ts&f=false

1574. Pierre de Larivey Champenois "ideo e pubblico un indovinello la cui soluzione era il gioco del Tarocco". (In Giovanni Francesco Straparola, Les facétieuses nuits. Paris, 1576). ... Marcos
1576. Paris. Tarot (Champenois (Straparola) ; MA 132) ... Ross
Notes Huck: Straparola lived till 1557, the work possibly wasn't finished. A first edition is recorded for 1441, the next follows in 1550. A first French translation is recorded by worldcat for 1560 by Louveau
"Les Facecieuses nuictz du seigneur Ian Francois Straparole... Nouuellement traduittes d'Italien en François, par Ian Louueau.:. (Ep. déd. de Rouillé à F. Rogier).
by Gian Francesco Straparola; Jean Louveau"
http://www.worldcat.org/search?q=au%3As ... umber_link
A participation of Pierre de Larivey is recorded by worldcat for 1573.
The biography of Pierre de Larifey records: "In 1572, he accompanied François d'Amboise into Poland, on a diplomatic mission and would return the year later for the crowning of the Duke of Anjou (future king Henry III) elected King of Poland."
This seems to indicate, that he was close to Henry III. and to Louis Gonzaga, both with some suspicion to have promoted the Tarot game in France.
I'm very interested in the text, but I don't find it.


1578. Les Epistres Dorees, Et Discovrs Salvtaires De Don Antoine De Gvevarre, Euesque de Mondonedo, Prescheur & Croniqueur de l'Empereur Charles cinquiesme
by Antonio de Guevara, Jean de Guterry
http://books.google.de/books?id=qQc8AAA ... navlinks_s

1578. Lyon. Tarots (Guil. des Autels; MA 132) ... Ross ...
???? (same book ? see 1574)

1579. Paris. Tarots (Ladurie; MA 132-3) ... Ross
Le Roy Ladurie "ha citato una deposizione in tribunale che accenna a un gioco di Tarocchi a cui presero parte due gentiluomini e che ebbe luogo in una locanda di Grenoble nell'anno 1579). ... Marcos

1579. Saint-André (Toulouse). Tarots (Garrisson-Estè be (1980); MA 133) ... Ross
A complaint in Saint-Andre, near Tolosa. ... Marcos
I've no idea how to search this

1580. Recueil des plaisants devis récités par les supposts du seigneur de la Coquille
Jean-Baptiste Monfalcon
Edition from 1857
http://books.google.fr/books?id=XmQ7AAA ... oc&f=false
Found by Bertrand ... "I found it in Charly Alverda's "trois figures hiéroglyphiques", himself quoting "les plaisants devis des suppôts du seigneur de la coquille", 1580
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=754&p=10770&hilit=alverda#p10770
... with following discussion
The discussion proceeded at:
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=754&start=38

1581. Le cabinet du roy de France: dans lequel il y a trois Perles precieuses d'inestimable valeur ...
by Nicolas Barnaud
http://books.google.de/books?id=vOM7AAA ... ts&f=false

1581. Ordonnance du roy [Henri III], portant defense très expresse de transporter hors son royaume aucunes sortes de papier, cartes & tarots, ne drapeau à les faire sinon en payant le droict de traicte....
http://books.google.de/books?id=AhsCuAA ... edir_esc=y
no preview

1581. Discours tres ample de la peste, diuisé en trois liures ...
by Nicolas de Nancel chez Denys du Val, 1581
http://books.google.de/books?id=N61yZjk ... ts&f=false

1582. Giordano Bruno: Candelaio
described by Andrea Vitali: Giordano Bruno e i Tarocchi
http://www.letarot.it/page.aspx?id=223

1582. L'Histoire de France, enrichie des plus notables occurrences survenues ez provinces de l'Europe et pays voisins... depuis l'an 1550 jusques à ces temps
by Henri Lancelot-Voisin de La Popelinière
http://books.google.de/books?id=bl8Nw5h ... ts&f=false

1583. Paris. Tarots (Tabourot; MA 133) ... Ross
Étienne Tabourot in Bigarrures mentioned a Tarots
A version of 1595 (volume 1)
http://books.google.de/books?id=ANFMAAA ... ot&f=false
Discussion at:
forum.tarothistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=754&start=12
... with some following posts.

1583. Paris. Tarot (Gauchet; MA 133) ... Ross
Claude Gauchet, Le plaisir des champs. "ci sono al meno 4 riferimenti al gioco dei Tarocchi". ... ... Marcos
Le Plaisir des champs (en vers)... par Cl. Gauchet Dampmartinois... ou est traicté de la chasse... (Sonnets de P. L'Escallay, J. Le Hericy)
by Claude Gauchet
http://books.google.de/books?id=vPL18Cu ... ot&f=false
Relevant passages weren't found

1583. Paris. Tarotz (Henri III; MA 133-4) ... Ross
in: Recueil général des anciennes lois françaises: depuis l'an 420 jusqu'à la révolution de 1789
http://books.google.de/books?id=eksDAAA ... ts&f=false

1585. Paris. Tarots (Perrache; MA 134) ... Ross
1585. Jacques Perrache. Le Triomphe du berlan. "Contiene due allusioni al gioco dei Tarocchi, una nella forma interesante 'sette tarocchi" in una lista di premi nei giochi di carte (I sette tarocchi sarebbero stati il XXI, il Bagatto, il Matto, e i quatro Re: il Germania il gioco dei Tarochi veniva chiamato talvolta il 'Siebenkönigsspiel' cioe, il gioco dei sette Re)" <----------- ....mmm.... It seem very interesting.
Google has no complete versions. Is the text somewhere?


1585. ?. Taraux (Cholières; MA 134) ... Ross
1587. Oeuvres du seigneur de Cholières: Les après-dinées
by Nicolas de Cholières, Damase Jouaust, Édouard Tricotel
http://books.google.de/books?id=pEX7-QZ ... ux&f=false

1587. According a text of 1614/1651 (see 1651) king Henry III in 1587 raised taxes on cards with some side effects.

1592. London. Tarots (Delamothe; MA 134) ... Ross
(a bock publisher in England). "The French Alpabeth": con dialoghi bilingui, comprendeva la domanda: 'A che gioco volete giocare: Volete giocare alla Dama, ai Dadi, ai Tarocchi, agli Scachi...". ... Marcos

1594. Discours sur la réduction de la ville de Lyon à l'obéissance du Roy
by Antoine Du Verdier
http://books.google.de/books?id=7OeMHPp ... ot&f=false

1594. Response De Pierre La Coignee A Vne Lettre escripte par Iean de la Souche à l'Autheur du discours faict sur la reduction de la ville de Lyon soubs l'obeissance du Roy:
Auec la coppie de ladicte lettre
by Antoine Du Verdier
http://books.google.de/books?id=QPI7AAA ... ot&f=false

1595. ?. Tarot (Le Poulchre; MA 134) ... Ross

1596. Le supplement du catholicon, ou nouvelles des régions de la lune
s.n., 1596
http://books.google.de/books?id=V8MWAAA ... navlinks_s

1599: Notes around Catelin Geoffroy in Lorraine
(see below) ... viewtopic.php?f=11&t=754&start=0
...... Huck at this thread page 1, post 1
1.
Mémoires de la Société des sciences, lettres et arts de Nancy
By Société des sciences, lettres et arts de Nancy (1851)
http://books.google.com/books?id=mz9FAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA74
... after the selected texts are others, which also relate to playing card history
2.
Histoire des villes vieille et neuve de Nancy
By Jean Jacques Bouvier, also called Abbé Lionnais
This also reports about the Catelin Geoffroy notes from Lorraine, but the interesting part is, that this author takes it as necessary to explain his readers, what Tarot is. These cards, so the author, come from Allemands and Suisse. The book is from 1811, but it might have written earlier. A first publication of the author I found for 1767 (so the author might have been dead in 1811. He may have been contemporary to Gebelin, perhaps somebody finds better data.
http://books.google.com/books?id=byMTAA ... cy&f=false

1603/05. Basilicon doron, ou présent royal, instruction au prince Henry son fils pour bien régner
by James I (Roi d'Angleterre), Jean Hotman (sieur de Villiers Saint Paul) (1603/1605)
http://books.google.de/books?id=g_I8AAA ... ts&f=false
http://a-tarot.eu/p/2012/tarots/tarots- ... h-king.jpg
This seems remarkable, as it is written by the English king James I for his son. James I anyway expressed the opinion, that he couldn't see the higher value of chess against card playing.

1604. Le soldat françois
Pierre de Lostal (1604)
http://books.google.de/books?id=sINAAAA ... ts&f=false
http://a-tarot.eu/p/2012/tarots/tarots- ... lostal.jpg

Claude Duret 1605
http://books.google.de/books?id=aLECWaE ... ts&f=false
http://a-tarot.eu/p/2012/tarots/tarots- ... plants.jpg
I found this curious, why the game of Tarot appeared in a book about plants. I remembered, that some French playing cards had plants as motifs. Were there also Tarot cards with plants?

1607. Oxford. Taraux (Cleland; MA 134-5) ... Ross
??? ERO-PAIDEIA (or Hero-paideia), Or The Institvtion of a Yovng Noble Man
James Cleland (1607)
http://books.google.de/books?id=x9IWtwA ... edir_esc=y
no preview

1608. L'Heureuse conversion des Huguenots, qui ont cogneu l'abus de la pretendue Religion... avec la saincte messe en françois (et en latin)... par Iacques d'Illaire...
Jacques d' Illaire, Couvent des Carmes déchaussés, Rigaud (1608)
http://books.google.de/books?id=jbfxPIB ... ts&f=false
http://a-tarot.eu/p/2012/tarots/tarots- ... uenots.jpg
I wondered, what the Huguenots had to do with Tarot. ... Huck

1611. La Muse chasseresse, dédié à la Royne mère régente, par Guillaume Du Sable, l'un des plus anciens gentilhomme ["sic"] de la vénerie du Roy.
by Guillaume Du Sable
(quoted in 1655; see there)
http://www.worldcat.org/search?q=au%3AG ... dblist=638

1616.Jean Hotman
Opuscules françoises des Hotmans:
L'Antitribonnian, ou discours de ce grand et renommé jurisconsulte François Hotman, sur l'estude des loix
http://books.google.de/books?id=xeYWHr6 ... ts&f=false
http://a-tarot.eu/p/2012/tarots/tarots-1616-hotman.jpg
The name Jean Hotman appeared also in the work of English King James I 1603/05

1617. Treize Livres des parlements de France, ès quels est amplement traité de leur origine et institution, et des présidents, conseillers, gens du roi, greffiers, secrétaires, huissiers et autres officiers
Bernard de La Roche-Flavin 1617
http://books.google.de/books?id=hrX42ey ... ts&f=false
http://a-tarot.eu/p/2012/tarots/tarots- ... w-1566.jpg
This seems of special interests, as it reports, that the French king Charles IX had prohibited Tarots (and some other game) at his court.

1619. Le franc-archer de la vraye Eglise: contre les abus et énormités de la fausse
Anthoine Fusi 1619
http://books.google.de/books?id=Du0UAAA ... ts&f=false

1622. Paris. Tarots (Garasse; MA 135) ... Ross
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=754&start=45
... ... Huck at this thread page 5, post 45
Les recherches des Recherches & autres œuures de me Estienne Pasqvier
By François Garasse (1622)
http://books.google.de/books?id=LNUcAQA ... ts&f=false

1622. Lyon. Tarotz (D'Allemagne II, 246) ... Ross

1623. Le verger des colloques recreatifs, comprins en douze chapitres, tres-propre, gentil, & utile, pour toutes sortes de gens, en langue Françoise & Italienne
Gomes de Trier (1623)
http://books.google.de/books?id=KnNOAAA ... ts&f=false
http://a-tarot.eu/p/2012/tarots/tarots-1623-trier.jpg
http://a-tarot.eu/p/2012/tarots/tarots-1623-trier-2.jpg

1628. Factum pour Nicolas de Montruit, marchand grossier privilégié suivant la cour, demandeur et complaignant, contre maître Jacques Le Duchat, fermier général de l'impôt des cartes, dés et tarots, défendeur et accusé, Laurent Morieux et Robert Passerel, maîtres cartiers à Paris, aussi défendeurs et accusés (1628)
http://books.google.de/books?id=0lEBuAA ... edir_esc=y
No preview
I was interested, as the name Passerel appeared in an juristic case.

1637. Paris. Tarots (De Marolles) ... Ross
Anonymous rules of the Tarot game. Text given at ...
http://www.tarock.info/depaulis.htm
As author was identified: Marolles on the base his memoires in 1657.
The situation was discussed here:
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=611&hilit=marolles+1637
The memoires version of 1755
http://books.google.de/books?id=zJoPAAA ... ts&f=false
has two passages about Tarots at
P. 113 ... seems to relate to 1637 and some exchange with the Gonzaga princess of Neves-Rethel (later queen of Poland)
P. 190 ... seems to relate to 1633 and his father, who loved to play Tarot

1644. Les contes aux heures perdues: Contenant Plusieurs Naifuetez, Simplicitez, Equiuoques ... qui ont esté oubliées au premier et deuxiesme Volume, Volume 3
Antoine Le Metel D'Ouville (1644)
http://books.google.de/books?id=Agw6AAA ... ts&f=false
http://a-tarot.eu/p/2012/tarots/tarots- ... iville.jpg

1650. Lyon. Taros (D'Allemagne II, 258) ... Ross

1651. Recueil très-exact ... de tout ce qui s'est fait ... en l'assemblée generale des estats, tenus à Paris ... 1614
Florimond Rapine (1651)
http://books.google.de/books?id=M8hBAAA ... ts&f=false
http://a-tarot.eu/p/2012/tarots/2-1614-1651.jpg
Just a later edition of an earlier text. Something happened with king Henry III in 1587. Somehow Tarots seem to have played a (minor ?) role.

1653. Rabelais translation to English - 5th book (1653)
http://books.google.de/books?id=USmgAAA ... ts&f=false
http://a-tarot.eu/p/2012/tarots/2-rabelais.jpg
http://a-tarot.eu/p/2012/tarots/2-rabelais-2.jpg
http://a-tarot.eu/p/2012/tarots/2-rabelais-3.jpg
Rabelais, just nice with some pictures.

1655: The physician of Louis XIV, Pierre Borel, dictionary, often reprinted
Image

http://books.google.com/books?id=sJBbAA ... ds&f=false
... Huck at this thread, page 1, post 1

1657: Marolles Tarot Ballett
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=751&p=10705&hilit=marolles#p10705
... Huck at this thread, page 1, post 1
Memoires: Avec Des Notes Historiques Et Critiques, Volume 3 (1657)
by Michel de Marolles
http://books.google.com/books?id=Sfk_AAAAcAAJ
Page 127-156

1659. Paris. Taros (Maison Academique des Jeux) ... Ross
(Material to versions 1659, 1654, 1702)
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=754&start=43
... ... Huck at this thread page 5, post 43

1660. A deck of 1977 in the WWPCM claims to be based on an edition of 1660 by Jacques Vievil
http://a.trionfi.eu/WWPCM/decks03/d01426/d01426.htm

c. 1660. The Minchiate Francesi by Francois Poilly is given to this date.
Report at ... viewtopic.php?f=11&t=782

1660/1664 La chorographie ou description de Provence, et l'histoire chronologique du même pays
Honoré Bouche, C. David, 1664 ... the passage reports the year 1660
http://books.google.de/books?id=p2HyHLJ ... ts&f=false
http://a-tarot.eu/p/2012/tarots/2-1664-provence.jpg
This might have influenced the situation of Marseille.

1661. Déclaration touchant la fabrication des cartes à jouer, tarots et dés.
France, Louis XIV (roi de France)(1661)
http://books.google.de/books?id=rTZqQwA ... edir_esc=y
no preview
Might be important.

1672. Date of the Chosson deck (Tarot des Marseilles). Not all researchers agree, that the cards are so early.
Huck
http://trionfi.com

Re: Please help ... French Tarot dates 1500 - 1659

#53
This is a list update - still in work.

I'm very interested in
"1574. Pierre de Larivey Champenois "ideo e pubblico un indovinello la cui soluzione era il gioco del Tarocco". (In Giovanni Francesco Straparola, Les facétieuses nuits. Paris, 1576). ... Marcos
1576. Paris. Tarot (Champenois (Straparola) ; MA 132) ... Ross"

1505. Avignon. Taraux (anonymous account-keeper; Chobaut, Depaulis) ... Ross
Avignon is at this time not part of France.

1527 and 1530: Notes of Philibert in Italy
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=747&p=10702&hilit=philibert#p10702
Philibert fights for the German emperor in Italy. The notes refer to events in Italy.
... Huck at this thread page 1, post 1

1529. Two letters of Agrippa of Nettesheim, which inform, that Agrippa had a dog with the name "Tarot". As this dog might have been in 1529 relative old (he's in two cases the first, which is named of totally 7 dogs), the name of the dog might reach back to Agrippa's time in Italy (late 1510's).
The matter was discussed:
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=754&start=10
The discussion was proceeded a longer time (with interruptions by other themes)

1534. Lyon. Tarau (Rabelais (southerner) MA 131) ... Ross

1553. Paris. Tarault (Estienne; MA 131) ... Ross
"Lo stampatore francese Charles Estiene faceva riferimento nella sua opera Paradoxes all "inventore delle carte italiane con cui si fa un gioco di chiamato 'le Tarault'". ... Marcos
In a 1553 Estienne edition:
http://books.google.de/books?id=WF46AAA ... lt&f=false
In a 1555 Estienne edition:
http://books.google.de/books?id=1hU6AAA ... lt&f=false
The passage was shown (modern) and discussed here:
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=754&p=10783&hilit=estienne#p10783
post 9 at the page
The work seems to be (at least in parts) a translation from "Paradossi, cioè sentenzie fuori del comun parere, novellamente venute in luce, la cui edizione princeps, contrariamente all’espressione ‘novellamente venute in luce’, apparve a Lione per i tipi di Giovanni Pullon da Trino nel 1543" by Ortensio Lando, which was discussed recently by Andrea Vitali:
http://www.letarot.it/page.aspx?id=312
.... in Italian language.
Paradossi (Ortensio Lando), version of 1550:
http://books.google.de/books?id=CiA8AAA ... sC&f=false
The relevant chapter is Nr. 5
Interestingly I found the word Tarault in a work of 1554 of Estienne:
http://books.google.de/books?id=wCU6AAAAcAAJ
... at page 357. I can't see any relevance to Tarot.
A further "Tarault" I found in the Robert Estienne (not Charles) dictionary from 1557 "Dictionariolum puerorum":
http://books.google.de/books?id=oRmb7d2 ... &q&f=false
"ung Tariere, ou Tarault, Terebra. Alii Terieri, Alii Terelle". In a 1549 edition: "Tariere"

1557. The deck of Catelin Geofroy in Lyon is dated to 1557 by an inscription on one card.

1559. According own research the Tarot de Paris should be dated to 1559.
Arguments at viewtopic.php?f=11&t=755

1559. A playing card trader in Rome sells his business with various items. Beside Italian cards he also offers French playing cards, but no French Tarot cards.
Report at ... viewtopic.php?f=11&t=654&p=9753&hilit=1559+rome#p9753

c.1560. Paris. Tarot. Tarots (Neux, Depaulis (VxP); MA 131) ... Ross
??? 1559. The translation to French of "The pasquinata anonima sul conclave". ... Marcos

c.1560 Paris. Tarots (Christophe de Bordeaux; MA 132) ... Ross
Discussed with more material
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=754&p=10784&hilit= ... aux#p10784

1564. ?. 1565. Lyon. Tarots (Ps.(?)-Rabelais; MA 132) ... Ross
The bock V of Gargantua et Pantagruel. ... Marcos
(English translation see under year 1653)
French version (1573):
http://books.google.de/books?id=hUY6AAA ... navlinks_s
Livre V, in chapter 23
compare also:
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=804
Post 2

1566. According a text of 1617 (see there) the French king Charles IX had prohibited Tarots (and some other games) at his court. See research at:
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=806

1574. Mitistoire barragovyne de Fanfrelvche et Gaudichon ...
by Guillaume Des Autels
http://books.google.de/books?id=mL9LAAA ... ts&f=false

1574. Pierre de Larivey Champenois "ideo e pubblico un indovinello la cui soluzione era il gioco del Tarocco". (In Giovanni Francesco Straparola, Les facétieuses nuits. Paris, 1576). ... Marcos
1576. Paris. Tarot (Champenois (Straparola) ; MA 132) ... Ross
Notes Huck: Straparola lived till 1557, the work possibly wasn't finished. A first edition is recorded for 1441, the next follows in 1550. A first French translation is recorded by worldcat for 1560 by Louveau
"Les Facecieuses nuictz du seigneur Ian Francois Straparole... Nouuellement traduittes d'Italien en François, par Ian Louueau.:. (Ep. déd. de Rouillé à F. Rogier).
by Gian Francesco Straparola; Jean Louveau"
http://www.worldcat.org/search?q=au%3As ... umber_link
A participation of Pierre de Larivey is recorded by worldcat for 1573.
The biography of Pierre de Larifey records: "In 1572, he accompanied François d'Amboise into Poland, on a diplomatic mission and would return the year later for the crowning of the Duke of Anjou (future king Henry III) elected King of Poland."
This seems to indicate, that he was close to Henry III. and to Louis Gonzaga, both with some suspicion to have promoted the Tarot game in France.
I'm very interested in the text, but I don't find it.


1578. Les Epistres Dorees, Et Discovrs Salvtaires De Don Antoine De Gvevarre, Euesque de Mondonedo, Prescheur & Croniqueur de l'Empereur Charles cinquiesme
by Antonio de Guevara, Jean de Guterry
http://books.google.de/books?id=qQc8AAA ... navlinks_s

1578. Lyon. Tarots (Guil. des Autels; MA 132) ... Ross ...
???? (same book ? see 1574)

1579. Paris. Tarots (Ladurie; MA 132-3) ... Ross
Le Roy Ladurie "ha citato una deposizione in tribunale che accenna a un gioco di Tarocchi a cui presero parte due gentiluomini e che ebbe luogo in una locanda di Grenoble nell'anno 1579). ... Marcos

1579. Saint-André (Toulouse). Tarots (Garrisson-Estè be (1980); MA 133) ... Ross
A complaint in Saint-Andre, near Tolosa. ... Marcos
I've no idea how to search this

1580. Recueil des plaisants devis récités par les supposts du seigneur de la Coquille
Jean-Baptiste Monfalcon
Edition from 1857
http://books.google.fr/books?id=XmQ7AAA ... oc&f=false
Found by Bertrand ... "I found it in Charly Alverda's "trois figures hiéroglyphiques", himself quoting "les plaisants devis des suppôts du seigneur de la coquille", 1580
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=754&p=10770&hilit=alverda#p10770
... with following discussion
The discussion proceeded at:
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=754&start=38

1581. Le cabinet du roy de France: dans lequel il y a trois Perles precieuses d'inestimable valeur ...
by Nicolas Barnaud
http://books.google.de/books?id=vOM7AAA ... ts&f=false

1581. Ordonnance du roy [Henri III], portant defense très expresse de transporter hors son royaume aucunes sortes de papier, cartes & tarots, ne drapeau à les faire sinon en payant le droict de traicte....
http://books.google.de/books?id=AhsCuAA ... edir_esc=y
no preview

1581. Discours tres ample de la peste, diuisé en trois liures ...
by Nicolas de Nancel chez Denys du Val, 1581
http://books.google.de/books?id=N61yZjk ... ts&f=false

1582. Giordano Bruno: Candelaio
described by Andrea Vitali: Giordano Bruno e i Tarocchi
http://www.letarot.it/page.aspx?id=223

1582. L'Histoire de France, enrichie des plus notables occurrences survenues ez provinces de l'Europe et pays voisins... depuis l'an 1550 jusques à ces temps
by Henri Lancelot-Voisin de La Popelinière
http://books.google.de/books?id=bl8Nw5h ... ts&f=false

1583. Paris. Tarots (Tabourot; MA 133) ... Ross
Étienne Tabourot in Bigarrures mentioned a Tarots
A version of 1595 (volume 1)
http://books.google.de/books?id=ANFMAAA ... ot&f=false
Discussion at:
forum.tarothistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=754&start=12
... with some following posts.

1583. Paris. Tarot (Gauchet; MA 133) ... Ross
Claude Gauchet, Le plaisir des champs. "ci sono al meno 4 riferimenti al gioco dei Tarocchi". ... ... Marcos
Le Plaisir des champs (en vers)... par Cl. Gauchet Dampmartinois... ou est traicté de la chasse... (Sonnets de P. L'Escallay, J. Le Hericy)
by Claude Gauchet
http://books.google.de/books?id=vPL18Cu ... ot&f=false
Relevant passages weren't found

1583. Paris. Tarotz (Henri III; MA 133-4) ... Ross
in: Recueil général des anciennes lois françaises: depuis l'an 420 jusqu'à la révolution de 1789
http://books.google.de/books?id=eksDAAA ... ts&f=false

1585. Paris. Tarots (Perrache; MA 134) ... Ross
1585. Jacques Perrache. Le Triomphe du berlan. "Contiene due allusioni al gioco dei Tarocchi, una nella forma interesante 'sette tarocchi" in una lista di premi nei giochi di carte (I sette tarocchi sarebbero stati il XXI, il Bagatto, il Matto, e i quatro Re: il Germania il gioco dei Tarochi veniva chiamato talvolta il 'Siebenkönigsspiel' cioe, il gioco dei sette Re)" <----------- ....mmm.... It seem very interesting.
Google has no complete versions. Is the text somewhere?


1585. ?. Taraux (Cholières; MA 134) ... Ross
1587. Oeuvres du seigneur de Cholières: Les après-dinées
by Nicolas de Cholières, Damase Jouaust, Édouard Tricotel
http://books.google.de/books?id=pEX7-QZ ... ux&f=false

1587. According a text of 1614/1651 (see 1651) king Henry III in 1587 raised taxes on cards with some side effects.

1592. London. Tarots (Delamothe; MA 134) ... Ross
(a bock publisher in England). "The French Alpabeth": con dialoghi bilingui, comprendeva la domanda: 'A che gioco volete giocare: Volete giocare alla Dama, ai Dadi, ai Tarocchi, agli Scachi...". ... Marcos

1594. Discours sur la réduction de la ville de Lyon à l'obéissance du Roy
by Antoine Du Verdier
http://books.google.de/books?id=7OeMHPp ... ot&f=false

1594. Response De Pierre La Coignee A Vne Lettre escripte par Iean de la Souche à l'Autheur du discours faict sur la reduction de la ville de Lyon soubs l'obeissance du Roy:
Auec la coppie de ladicte lettre
by Antoine Du Verdier
http://books.google.de/books?id=QPI7AAA ... ot&f=false

1595. ?. Tarot (Le Poulchre; MA 134) ... Ross

1595. Tabourot (see 1583) TARAUT
http://books.google.de/books?id=ANFMAAA ... ut&f=false

1596. Le supplement du catholicon, ou nouvelles des régions de la lune
s.n., 1596
http://books.google.de/books?id=V8MWAAA ... navlinks_s

1599: Notes around Catelin Geoffroy in Lorraine
(see below) ... viewtopic.php?f=11&t=754&start=0
...... Huck at this thread page 1, post 1
1.
Mémoires de la Société des sciences, lettres et arts de Nancy
By Société des sciences, lettres et arts de Nancy (1851)
http://books.google.com/books?id=mz9FAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA74
... after the selected texts are others, which also relate to playing card history
2.
Histoire des villes vieille et neuve de Nancy
By Jean Jacques Bouvier, also called Abbé Lionnais
This also reports about the Catelin Geoffroy notes from Lorraine, but the interesting part is, that this author takes it as necessary to explain his readers, what Tarot is. These cards, so the author, come from Allemands and Suisse. The book is from 1811, but it might have written earlier. A first publication of the author I found for 1767 (so the author might have been dead in 1811. He may have been contemporary to Gebelin, perhaps somebody finds better data.
http://books.google.com/books?id=byMTAA ... cy&f=false

1603/05. Basilicon doron, ou présent royal, instruction au prince Henry son fils pour bien régner
by James I (Roi d'Angleterre), Jean Hotman (sieur de Villiers Saint Paul) (1603/1605)
http://books.google.de/books?id=g_I8AAA ... ts&f=false
http://a-tarot.eu/p/2012/tarots/tarots- ... h-king.jpg
This seems remarkable, as it is written by the English king James I for his son. James I anyway expressed the opinion, that he couldn't see the higher value of chess against card playing.

1604. Le soldat françois
Pierre de Lostal (1604)
http://books.google.de/books?id=sINAAAA ... ts&f=false
http://a-tarot.eu/p/2012/tarots/tarots- ... lostal.jpg

1604. Documents Historiques Inédits Tirés des Collections Manuscrites de la Bibliothèque Royale et des Archives ou des Bibliothèques des Départements, Volume 4
Jean-Jacques Champollion-Figeac (1848)
http://books.google.de/books?id=2KU_AAA ... lx&f=false
Two historical documents of 1604 with "Taraulx"

1605. Claude Duret
http://books.google.de/books?id=aLECWaE ... ts&f=false
http://a-tarot.eu/p/2012/tarots/tarots- ... plants.jpg
I found this curious, why the game of Tarot appeared in a book about plants. I remembered, that some French playing cards had plants as motifs. Were there also Tarot cards with plants?
Bertrand notes: "basically it says that Spanish found the "Indians" used some leaves as paper, and that after the Spanish used said leaves to make playing cards, so Tarot is cited as an example of cards"

1607. Oxford. Taraux (Cleland; MA 134-5) ... Ross
??? ERO-PAIDEIA (or Hero-paideia), Or The Institvtion of a Yovng Noble Man
James Cleland (1607)
http://books.google.de/books?id=x9IWtwA ... edir_esc=y
no preview

1608. L'Heureuse conversion des Huguenots, qui ont cogneu l'abus de la pretendue Religion... avec la saincte messe en françois (et en latin)... par Iacques d'Illaire...
Jacques d' Illaire, Couvent des Carmes déchaussés, Rigaud (1608)
http://books.google.de/books?id=jbfxPIB ... ts&f=false
http://a-tarot.eu/p/2012/tarots/tarots- ... uenots.jpg
I wondered, what the Huguenots had to do with Tarot. ... Huck

1611. La Muse chasseresse, dédié à la Royne mère régente, par Guillaume Du Sable, l'un des plus anciens gentilhomme ["sic"] de la vénerie du Roy.
by Guillaume Du Sable
(quoted in 1655; see there)
http://www.worldcat.org/search?q=au%3AG ... dblist=638

1611. Les Édicts et ordonnances des rois de France depuis Louis VI, dit le Gros, jusques à présent... par Antoine Fontanon,... et de nouveau reveuz... et augmentez... par Gabriel Michel,... [sieur de La Rochemaillet]
Michel de La Rochemaillet
http://books.google.de/books?id=rcleoBO ... ot&f=false

1616.Jean Hotman
Opuscules françoises des Hotmans:
L'Antitribonnian, ou discours de ce grand et renommé jurisconsulte François Hotman, sur l'estude des loix
http://books.google.de/books?id=xeYWHr6 ... ts&f=false
http://a-tarot.eu/p/2012/tarots/tarots-1616-hotman.jpg
The name Jean Hotman appeared also in the work of English King James I 1603/05

1617. Treize Livres des parlements de France, ès quels est amplement traité de leur origine et institution, et des présidents, conseillers, gens du roi, greffiers, secrétaires, huissiers et autres officiers
Bernard de La Roche-Flavin 1617
http://books.google.de/books?id=hrX42ey ... ts&f=false
http://a-tarot.eu/p/2012/tarots/tarots- ... w-1566.jpg
This seems of special interests, as it reports, that the French king Charles IX had prohibited Tarots (and some other game) at his court.

1619. Le franc-archer de la vraye Eglise: contre les abus et énormités de la fausse
Anthoine Fusi 1619
http://books.google.de/books?id=Du0UAAA ... ts&f=false

1622. Paris. Tarots (Garasse; MA 135) ... Ross
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=754&start=45
... ... Huck at this thread page 5, post 45
Les recherches des Recherches & autres œuures de me Estienne Pasqvier
By François Garasse (1622)
http://books.google.de/books?id=LNUcAQA ... ts&f=false

1622. Lyon. Tarotz (D'Allemagne II, 246) ... Ross

1623. Le verger des colloques recreatifs, comprins en douze chapitres, tres-propre, gentil, & utile, pour toutes sortes de gens, en langue Françoise & Italienne
Gomes de Trier (1623)
http://books.google.de/books?id=KnNOAAA ... ts&f=false
http://a-tarot.eu/p/2012/tarots/tarots-1623-trier.jpg
http://a-tarot.eu/p/2012/tarots/tarots-1623-trier-2.jpg

1626. Mercure françois: ou suite de l'histoire de nostre temps, sous le regne Auguste du tres-chrestien roy de France et de Navarre, Louys XIII, Volume 11
Jean Richer, Théophraste Renaudot
TARAUT
http://books.google.de/books?id=XmBBAAA ... ut&f=false
presented at
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=805&p=11497#p11497

1628. Factum pour Nicolas de Montruit, marchand grossier privilégié suivant la cour, demandeur et complaignant, contre maître Jacques Le Duchat, fermier général de l'impôt des cartes, dés et tarots, défendeur et accusé, Laurent Morieux et Robert Passerel, maîtres cartiers à Paris, aussi défendeurs et accusés (1628)
http://books.google.de/books?id=0lEBuAA ... edir_esc=y
No preview
I was interested, as the name Passerel appeared in an juristic case.

1637. Paris. Tarots (De Marolles) ... Ross
Anonymous rules of the Tarot game. Text given at ...
http://www.tarock.info/depaulis.htm
As author was identified: Marolles on the base his memoires in 1657.
The situation was discussed here:
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=611&hilit=marolles+1637
The memoires version of 1755
http://books.google.de/books?id=zJoPAAA ... ts&f=false
has two passages about Tarots at
P. 113 ... seems to relate to 1637 and some exchange with the Gonzaga princess of Neves-Rethel (later queen of Poland)
P. 190 ... seems to relate to 1633 and his father, who loved to play Tarot

1644. Les contes aux heures perdues: Contenant Plusieurs Naifuetez, Simplicitez, Equiuoques ... qui ont esté oubliées au premier et deuxiesme Volume, Volume 3
Antoine Le Metel D'Ouville (1644)
http://books.google.de/books?id=Agw6AAA ... ts&f=false
http://a-tarot.eu/p/2012/tarots/tarots- ... iville.jpg

1650. Lyon. Taros (D'Allemagne II, 258) ... Ross

1651. Recueil très-exact ... de tout ce qui s'est fait ... en l'assemblée generale des estats, tenus à Paris ... 1614
Florimond Rapine (1651)
http://books.google.de/books?id=M8hBAAA ... ts&f=false
http://a-tarot.eu/p/2012/tarots/2-1614-1651.jpg
Just a later edition of an earlier text. Something happened with king Henry III in 1587. Somehow Tarots seem to have played a (minor ?) role.

1653. Rabelais translation to English - 5th book (1653)
http://books.google.de/books?id=USmgAAA ... ts&f=false
http://a-tarot.eu/p/2012/tarots/2-rabelais.jpg
http://a-tarot.eu/p/2012/tarots/2-rabelais-2.jpg
http://a-tarot.eu/p/2012/tarots/2-rabelais-3.jpg
Rabelais, just nice with some pictures.

1655: The physician of Louis XIV, Pierre Borel, dictionary, often reprinted
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THARAUTS
http://books.google.com/books?id=sJBbAA ... ds&f=false
... Huck at this thread, page 1, post 1

1657: Marolles Tarot Ballett
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=751&p=10705&hilit=marolles#p10705
... Huck at this thread, page 1, post 1
Memoires: Avec Des Notes Historiques Et Critiques, Volume 3 (1657)
by Michel de Marolles
http://books.google.com/books?id=Sfk_AAAAcAAJ
Page 127-156

1659. Paris. Taros (Maison Academique des Jeux) ... Ross
(Material to versions 1659, 1654, 1702)
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=754&start=43
... ... Huck at this thread page 5, post 43

1660. A deck of 1977 in the WWPCM claims to be based on an edition of 1660 by Jacques Vievil
http://a.trionfi.eu/WWPCM/decks03/d01426/d01426.htm

c. 1660. The Minchiate Francesi by Francois Poilly is given to this date.
Report at ... viewtopic.php?f=11&t=782

1660/1664 La chorographie ou description de Provence, et l'histoire chronologique du même pays
Honoré Bouche, C. David, 1664 ... the passage reports the year 1660
http://books.google.de/books?id=p2HyHLJ ... ts&f=false
http://a-tarot.eu/p/2012/tarots/2-1664-provence.jpg
This might have influenced the situation of Marseille.

1661. Déclaration touchant la fabrication des cartes à jouer, tarots et dés.
France, Louis XIV (roi de France)(1661)
http://books.google.de/books?id=rTZqQwA ... edir_esc=y
no preview
Might be important.

1662. Les Bigarrures et Touches du Seigneur des Accords
Étienne Tabourot (late edition)
TARAUT
http://books.google.de/books?id=QcA5AAA ... ut&f=false
1672. Date of the Chosson deck (Tarot des Marseilles). Not all researchers agree, that the cards are so early.

1675. Tesoro de las dos lenguas española y francesa:
Corregido Y Avmentado De Infinidad de omissiones, Adiciones, y Vocablos; con sus Generos, y un Vocabulario de Xerigonça, y de las principales Ciudades, Villas ...
César Oudin
TARAUT
http://books.google.de/books?id=5BBEAAA ... ut&f=false
Image


1677. Nouveau dictionnaire françois-italien et italien-françois
chez Jean Herman Widerhold (1677)
TARAUT, TARAUTS
Image

http://books.google.de/books?id=3TkUAAA ... ut&f=false

1781. Mélanges tirés d'une grande bibliothèque
Marc Antoine René de Voyer de Paulmy d' Argenson
(about the 22th chapter of Gargantua I)
TARAUT comes from Italy
http://books.google.de/books?id=-8U6AAA ... ut&f=false
Huck
http://trionfi.com

Champenois’ Riddle in Facetious Nights

#55
Hi, Ross,
Ross G. R. Caldwell wrote:The French translation of Straparola, with the Tarot riddle (it is not in the Italian), is on Google Books

http://books.google.fr/books?id=WpANAAA ... 22&f=false

I think it was Moakley who first noted it (The Tarot Cards (1966) pp. 50-51) There was a translation of the whole passage somewhere at some point, maybe I or someone else did it on TarotL.
I had brought up the passage in a 2003 Tarot-L chat with Lothar. James Revak translated the passage into English for me to put online, in the Collected Fragments of Tarot History. Here is the note and the translations from that page. (The Hastings page does not appear to be online anymore, but it can be found via the Wayback Machine.)
“In 1576 Pierre de Larivey Champenois composed and published a riddle to which the solution was le iue du Tarot (the game of Tarot).” (Dummett, The Game of Tarot, 100.) This “curious riddle… appears in a French translation of Straparola’s Facetious Nights (Le piacevoli nocci, translated Les facétieuses nuits), although it is nowhere in the original [1553] Italian work.” (Moakley, 50.) Straparola “appears to be a pseudonym alluding to the author's verbosity”. Facetious Nights is a group of 75 tales with a framing story to unite them, like The Arabian Nights, Decameron, or Canterbury Tales. It is a renowned collection of stories, including folk and fairy tales. (Waller Hastings.) Champenois’ riddle was inserted into Night XIII, Tale 7. (Dummett, 100.) In each of four stanzas, it appears that a trick is played in a different suit, and trump subjects appear to be playing the game. For example, the first stanza seems to be about a victorious warrior (the Triumphal Chariot?) losing a trick in Swords. (Moakley 51; Dummett, 202.) The last line appears to suggest that all the figures will be resurrected to die again, by rechef (re-shuffling?) for the next hand.
Moakley wrote:Ce guerrier indompté, hardy, victorieux,
Et qui, tousjours vainqueur, triomphe en toute guerre,
Sera d’un coustelas mort renversé par terre,
Et son règne detruict, jadis tant glorieux.

Après, pour un vieillard, o cruauté des cieux!
L’homocide poison secrettement s’enserre
Dans une couppe d’or ou d’argent ou de verre,
Dont en fin il mourra dolent et soucieux.

Mais le ciel pour cela n’apaisera son ire,
Car avec un baston, au premier de l’empire
Peu après l’on verra rompre et briser le chef.

Ce faict, pour peu d’argent la fortune ennemie
Le monde accablera, puis tous reprendront vie
Tant grands comme petits, pour mourir de rechef.
Revak wrote:This untamed warrior, bold, victorious,
And who, ever the victor, triumphs in any war,
Will die by a knife upside-down over the ground,
And his reign destroyed, once so glorious.

Next, for an old man, o cruelty of the heavens!
The murderous poison secreted inside,
In a cup of gold or silver or glass,
In which he will finally die sorrowful and anxious.

But for that will heaven not mitigate its anger,
Because shortly after the beginning of the empire
One will witness the breaking and smashing of the leader with a club.

For want of money, this event, adverse fortune
Will overwhelm the world; then everyone, the great and small alike
Will live again to die from rechef.
Best regards,
Michael
We are either dwarfs standing on the shoulders of giants, or we are just dwarfs.

Re: Please help ... French Tarot dates 1500 - 1659

#56
Thank you very much, both ...

Do I understand it right, that the riddle appears only in the translation? ... not in the Italian original?

Is the riddle seen only at the passage in 13th night, 7th story ... ? .... is the word Tarot, Tarocchi or similar also in the Italian text? Ah, I look myself ...

I have here an edition of 1553 ...

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I have here the edition of 1558 ...

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and here the French edition, which Ross linked

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The Italian version seem identical, the French version is surely at least in parts not a translation. I assume, that the French version ALWAYS used sonnets, where the Italian version ALWAYS had 8-line poems (I checked only few).
Might well be, that the finishing text after the poems also was modified generally.

For Italian versions see here:
https://www.google.com/search?q=Le+piac ... 40&bih=768
Huck
http://trionfi.com

Re: Please help ... French Tarot dates 1500 - 1659

#57
Thanks very much MIchael!

I knew I'd seen it somewhere. Jim's translation is very artful. There are only a couple of things wrong -

"secrettement s'enserre" means "secretly locks/fixes/binds itself" inside a cup made of gold or silver or glass.

In the third stanza, the "shortly after" should stay with the "one will see":

"But for that, Heaven will not appease its anger;
For, with a club, at the beginning of the empire,
Very soon one will see it break and smash the head."

(since it's a poem with a rhyme scheme it might be that the sense is not "at the beginning of the empire", but "le chef de l'empire", thus "For, at the beginning, one will soon see it break and smash the head of the empire with a club").

(I think Heaven is the "it" (le) referred to in the final line)

The "peu d'argent" is difficult to interpret in this poem. I can't tell if it's "for a little money", "for little money", or, "BECAUSE of little money", like Revak seems to interpret it.

"De rechef" is a phrase meaning "once more", "again".

So it's "Will live again just to die once more."
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Champenois’ Riddle in Facetious Nights

#58
Hi, Ross,
Ross G. R. Caldwell wrote:Thanks very much MIchael!

I knew I'd seen it somewhere. Jim's translation is very artful.
Thanks for the improvements. Can you be persuaded to provide a complete version?

Google Books shows that Michele De Filippis wrote about it a bit in 1948/52. "The literary riddle in Italy to the end of the sixteenth century", Volume 34, Issue 1, Univ. of California press, 1948, which has no preview, and which was apparently reprinted in "University of California publications in modern philology", Volume 34, which has just a snippet view. Here is the snippet I got, from page 45:
De Filippis wrote:No. 4, what Madonna Daphne calls "giuoco di ronfa et trionfo," is
none other than the game of tarot, which in Italian reads thus:

Quel capitan di Mart' alt' e famoso,
Che sempre vinse, e vince in ogni guerra,
Sarà con una spada uccia' in terra
E distrutt' il suo regno glorioso...

Larivey's French version (XIII, 7) is only slightly different.
Among other things, he loses the pun in the third line since the
"constelas," unlike the Italian "spada," does not mean both sword
and spade:

Ce guerrier indompté, hardy, victorieux,
Et qui, tousjours vainqueur, triomphe en toute
Best regards,
Michael
We are either dwarfs standing on the shoulders of giants, or we are just dwarfs.

Re: Champenois’ Riddle in Facetious Nights

#59
mjhurst wrote:Hi, Ross,
Ross G. R. Caldwell wrote:Thanks very much MIchael!

I knew I'd seen it somewhere. Jim's translation is very artful.
Thanks for the improvements. Can you be persuaded to provide a complete version?
Sure - maybe after dinner!
Google Books shows that Michele De Filippis wrote about it a bit in 1948/52. "The literary riddle in Italy to the end of the sixteenth century", Volume 34, Issue 1, Univ. of California press, 1948, which has no preview, and which was apparently reprinted in University of "California publications in modern philology", Volume 34, which has just has a snippet view. Here is the snippet I got, from page 45:
De Filippis wrote:No. 4, what Madonna Daphne calls "giuoco di ronfa et trionfo," is
none other than the game of tarot, which in Italian reads thus:

Quel capitan di Mart' alt' e famoso,
Che sempre vinse, e vince in ogni guerra,
Sarà con una spada uccia' in terra
E distrutt' il suo regno glorioso...

Larivey's French version (XIII, 7) is only slightly different.
Among other things, he loses the pun in the third line since the
"constelas," unlike the Italian "spada," does not mean both sword
and spade:

Ce guerrier indompté, hardy, victorieux,
Et qui, tousjours vainqueur, triomphe en toute
Best regards,
Michael
That's very interesting. I saw the French part quoted in that article, but didn't look further. It seems like there IS an Italian version - maybe it is somewhere else in the book?

At least we have some keywords/phrases to look for it now. Thanks!

Ross
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