At least one should assume, that Hofmann 1698 saw these letters (or reproduction of it), and that the English biograph also saw the letters (or reproductions). So I would think, that it is very likely that the original contained this "Tarot".
But I started to become interested about Agrippa in context of Monferrato 1516, cause Monferrato saw in 1517 an important marriage between Gonzaga and Montferrat. I show this detail soon at ...
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Re: Please help ... French Tarot dates 1500 - 1659
23Letter 72, book V has "Tarot, Franza, Musa" (page 942)
Letter 76, book V, has "Tarot, Franza, Muza" (page 945)
Both letters are just dated "Antwerp, 1529". No specific date.
Letter 76, book V, has "Tarot, Franza, Muza" (page 945)
Both letters are just dated "Antwerp, 1529". No specific date.
Re: Please help ... French Tarot dates 1500 - 1659
24First letter (Nr. 72)
Second letter (Nr. 76)
Second letter (Nr. 76)
Huck
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Re: Please help ... French Tarot dates 1500 - 1659
25Ah, you found a different digital version!
What's the link?
What's the link?
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26... .-) ... cross-posting
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The link is above
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The link is above
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Re: Please help ... French Tarot dates 1500 - 1659
27Very good, two versions now.Huck wrote:... .-) ... cross-posting
The link is above
The only question now is, what did the name "Tarot" mean to him? The obvious answer is the card game - in which case this is the earliest attested spelling of Tarot as such (there is no good reason to doubt the editors of the Beringos Fratres edition of the 17th century).
But it could also mean the points on a die - I'm not sure of the earliest occurence of that use, but it might suggest the dog was white with black spots.
Re: Please help ... French Tarot dates 1500 - 1659
28Hello,
Bertrand
very clever idea ! maybe the dog's pelage may also have reminded tarot cards' back for some reason (I'm thinking here of the hermine back of certain cards, though they occured at a much later date).Ross G. R. Caldwell wrote:But it could also mean the points on a die - I'm not sure of the earliest occurence of that use, but it might suggest the dog was white with black spots.
Bertrand
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29... see the Isabella d'Este collection, Post 3.Ross G. R. Caldwell wrote: The only question now is, what did the name "Tarot" mean to him? The obvious answer is the card game - in which case this is the earliest attested spelling of Tarot as such (there is no good reason to doubt the editors of the Beringos Fratres edition of the 17th century).
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30I find that less convincing than the dog's coat explanation. Yours doesn't explain the choice of name (how did the dog resemble a card game?), nor why he chose a French form over the Italian, if he encountered it through Italians.Huck wrote: ... see the Isabella d'Este collection, Post 3.
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