Fame riddle
Posted: 09 Nov 2011, 23:32
Ross in a post at LTarot in 2005 had found the following small poem from Alciato
Andrea in these creative days published ...
"About the etymology of Tarot" ... http://www.letarot.it/page.aspx?id=220&lng=ENG
With this "Fame follows Death (Nr. 13)", something which we perceive also in Petrarca's Trionfi poem: Love - Chastity- Death - Fame - Time - Eternity is there the sequence.
Now I see some other Fame allegories with Nr. 14
Bodet-Tarot
Vievil-Tarot
Bodet was from Belgia, and Vievil also was from Belgia (at least there's a deep suspicion, that he was).
And the Vievil-Tarot actually is much less a Tarot-de-Marseille-Typus than it is just a Belgian Tarot.
Here are motifs, which have much similarity to each other, but not to the Tarot de Marseille
Hermit is turned to his left , and in the Marseille-Tarot the Hermit is turned to his right.
upside-down-change
Another devil
A tree instead a Tower
A star with astronom
A special moon
a man on horse instead twins
I've no Fool for the Bodet, but other Fools of Belgian Tarots are similar. The tables of the Magicians are turned left-right
The world is different ... in this the Vievil goes to the Tarot de Marseille.
So ... what shall one conclude from this?
Mundus habet primas, - World,
croceas dein Angelus alas: - Angel,
Tum Phoebus, luna, & stella, - Sun, Moon and Star,
cum fulmine daemon: - Tower and Devil
Fama necem, - Fama and Death
Crux antesenem, - Cross and old Man
fortuna quadrigas: - Fortune and Chariot
Cedit amor forti & justo, - love, force and justice
regemque sacerdos: - king and pope
Flaminicam regina - Flaminca and queen
praeit queis campo propinat Omnibus, - Magician
extremò stultus discernitur actu." - Fool
Andrea in these creative days published ...
"About the etymology of Tarot" ... http://www.letarot.it/page.aspx?id=220&lng=ENG
The theme interest me in the moment just for a specific detail: the allegory Fama (unusual for nomal Tarot) gets Nr. 14 in the Tarot numerology in the poem.But the jurist Andrea Alciati, the famous author of the Emblemata in another of his works, the Parergon Juris appeared for the first time in 1538, in Chapter XVI named De ludis nostri temporis interprets the etymology of the word in this way: “Interrogatus sæpissimè fui, an veteres lusum chartarum haberent, quo transigere tempora otiosi maximè solent. Respondi, nusquam me hoc legisse: habuisse quidem alios lusus, quos Jul. Pollux lib. IX recenset: hunc verò, quod equidem sciam, nemo prodidit: tametsi ille, qui vulgò Tarochorum dicitur, Gręcum etymum habeat, possunt enim [hetarochoi] hi sodales dici, qui cibi causa ad lusum conveniunt, & chartulis hoc ferè ordine lusitant.
(I have been asked many times, if ancients had cards game, with which today many lazy people use to spend their time. I have answered I have not read about that anywhere: actually they had other games that Julius Polluce describes in his IX book. But about his, nobody has ever written, even if the game that vulgarly is called game of tarots has a Greek origin. Can be called hetarochoi those “friends” who gather to play for food and use to play cards generally in this order).
Mundus habet primas, croceas dein Angelus alis:
Tum Phoebus, luna, & stellæ, cum fulmine dæmon:
Fama necem, Crux ante senem, fortuna quadrigas:
Cedit amor forti & justo: regemque sacerdos,
Flaminicam regina præit que is campo propinat
Omnibus: extremo stultus discernitur actu.
The world has the primate, then the golden winged angel;
Then Phoebus, the moon and the stars, the devil with the lightening;
Fame precedes death, the cross the old man, fortune the chariot;
Love gives up to the strong and justice, the priest precedes the king,
The queen precedes the high priest’s wife (4), the innkeeper offers drinks
To all these ones, at last the fool is recognizable by his behaviour.
With this "Fame follows Death (Nr. 13)", something which we perceive also in Petrarca's Trionfi poem: Love - Chastity- Death - Fame - Time - Eternity is there the sequence.
Now I see some other Fame allegories with Nr. 14
Bodet-Tarot
Vievil-Tarot
Bodet was from Belgia, and Vievil also was from Belgia (at least there's a deep suspicion, that he was).
And the Vievil-Tarot actually is much less a Tarot-de-Marseille-Typus than it is just a Belgian Tarot.
Here are motifs, which have much similarity to each other, but not to the Tarot de Marseille
Hermit is turned to his left , and in the Marseille-Tarot the Hermit is turned to his right.
upside-down-change
Another devil
A tree instead a Tower
A star with astronom
A special moon
a man on horse instead twins
I've no Fool for the Bodet, but other Fools of Belgian Tarots are similar. The tables of the Magicians are turned left-right
The world is different ... in this the Vievil goes to the Tarot de Marseille.
So ... what shall one conclude from this?