http://books.google.de/books?id=cj4cAQA ... &q&f=false



This is copy of a manuscript picture. I don't know the picture ...

Somebody else had a similar question:

http://thequeenofcards.info/history/the ... es/p103-1/

Oh ... my short memory ..

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=570&p=8226&hilit=r ... esle#p8226

We had this earlier, but it's not solved.

This is from the Bibliothèque municipale de Nantes, ms. fr. 181, folio 285v. The arms of Philippe de Commines (1447-1511) appear on the first page and throughout the book. The date of this copy should be close to the end of the 15th century then, not the beginning.

http://www.nantes.fr/site/nantesfr/la-c ... t-augustin

http://arkhenum.picturelan.com/bm_nantes_oeb/
(page 572 of the viewer, folio 285v of the manuscript)


http://www.rosscaldwell.com/images/imag ... 85vdet.jpg



Coat of arms of Philippe of Commines -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippe_de_Commines



From folio 3 of the manuscript -

http://www.rosscaldwell.com/images/imag ... rmsbmn.jpg

This page, compiling the digital resources of France, gives more information on the manuscript.
http://www.numerique.culture.fr/mpf/pub ... m1=rechgeo

It says that the miniatures were done in the workshop of a certain "excellent master François", whom they take to be a son of Jean Fouquet (c. 1420-1481).
It says that the book has two volumes, of which the other (volume 1) is in the Museum Meermano in The Hague, the Netherlands.
http://www.meermanno.nl/

... ... Nice finding ... it seems to solve the problem. Congratulations.

It seems not likely, that it was a 1:1 copy of an earlier motif.

Sometimes research has a happy ending. Especially when libraries and museums are generous with their treasures.
It took less than an hour to find it.

Here is volume one -
http://www2.kb.nl/vh-cgi/vhfullref.pl?L ... s%2f368493

(sorry about the URL)

GREAT!

mmfilesi wrote:GREAT!

Indeed. It's a real discovery, since I've never seen the original image before. I have to thank Google, the Bibliothèque municipale de Nantes, and the constant nagging of unanswered questions for finding it.