Rules 1637 ... French readers desired
Posted: 05 Oct 2010, 17:23
My French isn't very well and it's exhausting to read very much in this language .... ... beside the point, that I don't understand all with security.
Following is the case:
http://www.tarock.info/depaulis.htm
.. gives the rules of 1637 according Depaulis
Also it gives the information, that Michel de Marolles is (probably) the author, and as production location is given Nevers.
Michel de Marolles
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_de_Marolles
who had contact to the the salon of Madeleine de Scudery, perhaps an detail of interest
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madeleine_de_Scud%C3%A9ry
Michel de Marolles had written larger Memoires ... according Wiki there are
# Les Mémoires de Michel de Marolles, abbé de Villeloin, divisés en trois parties, contenant ce qu'il a vu de plus remarquable en sa vie, depuis l'année 1600, ses entretiens avec quelques-uns des plus savants hommes de son temps, et les généalogies de quelques familles alliées dans la sienne ; avec une briève description de la très-illustre maison de Mantoue et de Nevers (1656)
# Suitte des Mémoires de Michel de Marolles abbé de Villeloin contenant douze traitez sur divers Sujets curieux... (1657)
# Mémoires de Michel de Marolles abbé de Villeloin. Avec des notes historiques et critiques [by abbé Gouget] (1755). This edition does not include the interesting genealogical notes in the Sommaville edition of 1656, though they do appear in a rare Suitte of 1657
books.google.com has the edition of 1755 (I think 3 books)
Book 1:
In the first book the word "Tarots" seems to appear twice ...
P. 113 ... seems to relate to 1637
P. 190 ... seems to relate to 1633
At p. 113: The author is in Nevers and a young princess wants to play Tarot, the author seems not very interested. The father of the princess dies. In the further development, the author gets a lot to do with the paper material of the family. It seems, that at least till 1656 he had intensive contact.
Father and daughter are identified at the Gonzaga family genealogy, so both are of Italian descend
CORRECTED: I noted later, that the real person was her sister, 5 years older
D4. Ludovica Maria, *Paris 18.8.1611, +Warsaw 10.5.1667; 1m: 10.3.1645 Ladislav IV Vasa, King of Poland (*5.5.1595 +10.5.1648); 2m: 29.5.1649 Jan Kazimierz II Vasa, King of Poland (*22.5.1609 +16.12.1672)
First I'd the idea, that Marolles learned the game at Nevers in 1637, but at p. 190 a second note was given, according which a man (likely his father) died and in the description of his life it appears, that the father loved to play Tarots, Chess and Checkers.
According this it seems, as if the author knew the game from his own home, and it was possibly the princess, who was interested to learn it, and that possibly the "first Tarot rules of 1637" found to a printing, cause the young princess (21 years, corrected 26 years) with her desire stimulated a publication.
http://books.google.com/books?id=zJoPAA ... ts&f=false
here are the 2 passages of the first book ... to get an insight, what it is about, one has to read a little more than only one page
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Book 2:
p. 142
The author rambles about himself, possibly connected to the year 1635 (?). He also seem to love Tarots and Chess, but not the "stupid games".
http://books.google.com/books?id=35oPAA ... ts&f=false
***********************
Book 3:
Well, here I need really help ...
It seems, that the author intends to design a ballet. Or various ballets.
Inside this show with many allegorical figures appear Tarot and other playing cards. I'm not sure, if all trumps appear in the balletts or only Fool, Bateleur and World, but these appear as a group.
One has to read a lot of pages to get the whole context. In the introduction it seems clear, that the author wrote this 1656.
http://books.google.com/books?id=Sfk_AA ... ts&f=false
Following is the case:
http://www.tarock.info/depaulis.htm
.. gives the rules of 1637 according Depaulis
Also it gives the information, that Michel de Marolles is (probably) the author, and as production location is given Nevers.
Michel de Marolles
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_de_Marolles
who had contact to the the salon of Madeleine de Scudery, perhaps an detail of interest
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madeleine_de_Scud%C3%A9ry
Michel de Marolles had written larger Memoires ... according Wiki there are
# Les Mémoires de Michel de Marolles, abbé de Villeloin, divisés en trois parties, contenant ce qu'il a vu de plus remarquable en sa vie, depuis l'année 1600, ses entretiens avec quelques-uns des plus savants hommes de son temps, et les généalogies de quelques familles alliées dans la sienne ; avec une briève description de la très-illustre maison de Mantoue et de Nevers (1656)
# Suitte des Mémoires de Michel de Marolles abbé de Villeloin contenant douze traitez sur divers Sujets curieux... (1657)
# Mémoires de Michel de Marolles abbé de Villeloin. Avec des notes historiques et critiques [by abbé Gouget] (1755). This edition does not include the interesting genealogical notes in the Sommaville edition of 1656, though they do appear in a rare Suitte of 1657
books.google.com has the edition of 1755 (I think 3 books)
Book 1:
In the first book the word "Tarots" seems to appear twice ...
P. 113 ... seems to relate to 1637
P. 190 ... seems to relate to 1633
At p. 113: The author is in Nevers and a young princess wants to play Tarot, the author seems not very interested. The father of the princess dies. In the further development, the author gets a lot to do with the paper material of the family. It seems, that at least till 1656 he had intensive contact.
Father and daughter are identified at the Gonzaga family genealogy, so both are of Italian descend
http://genealogy.euweb.cz/gonzaga/gonzaga3.html#Fe2C5. Carlo I, *Paris 6.5.1580, +Mantova 20.9.1637, Duc de Nevers et Rethel (1595-1637), Duca di Mantova, Duca del Monferrato (1627-37), Duca de Mayenne 1621; m.Paris 1.2.1599 Caterine de Lorraine-Mayenne, dau.of Carlo Duca di Mayenne by Enrichetta di Savoia Marchesa di Villars (*1585, +Paris 18.3.1618)
MISTAKE D6. Anna Maria, *Paris 1616, +there 6.7.1684; 1m: (separated) Henri de Lorraine, Duc de Guise (+1664); 2m: Paris 24.5.1645 Eduard von Wittelsbach, Count Palatine of Rhine (*5.9.1625, +Paris 13.3.1653)
CORRECTED: I noted later, that the real person was her sister, 5 years older
D4. Ludovica Maria, *Paris 18.8.1611, +Warsaw 10.5.1667; 1m: 10.3.1645 Ladislav IV Vasa, King of Poland (*5.5.1595 +10.5.1648); 2m: 29.5.1649 Jan Kazimierz II Vasa, King of Poland (*22.5.1609 +16.12.1672)
First I'd the idea, that Marolles learned the game at Nevers in 1637, but at p. 190 a second note was given, according which a man (likely his father) died and in the description of his life it appears, that the father loved to play Tarots, Chess and Checkers.
According this it seems, as if the author knew the game from his own home, and it was possibly the princess, who was interested to learn it, and that possibly the "first Tarot rules of 1637" found to a printing, cause the young princess (21 years, corrected 26 years) with her desire stimulated a publication.
http://books.google.com/books?id=zJoPAA ... ts&f=false
here are the 2 passages of the first book ... to get an insight, what it is about, one has to read a little more than only one page
***********************
Book 2:
p. 142
The author rambles about himself, possibly connected to the year 1635 (?). He also seem to love Tarots and Chess, but not the "stupid games".
http://books.google.com/books?id=35oPAA ... ts&f=false
***********************
Book 3:
Well, here I need really help ...
It seems, that the author intends to design a ballet. Or various ballets.
Inside this show with many allegorical figures appear Tarot and other playing cards. I'm not sure, if all trumps appear in the balletts or only Fool, Bateleur and World, but these appear as a group.
One has to read a lot of pages to get the whole context. In the introduction it seems clear, that the author wrote this 1656.
http://books.google.com/books?id=Sfk_AA ... ts&f=false