Raoul de Presles is noted at Kaplan I, p. 32. Kaplan gives the explanation, that the relevant pictures uses costumes relevant to the time of Charles VI and not to the time of the early 1370's. Also it's stated, that the translation was made 1371-75.
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raoul_de_Presles
Raoul de Presles presents a book to French king Charles V.
Following note was captured at
Origine des cartes à jouer: recherches nouvelles sur les naibis, les tarots ... By Romain Merlin
http://books.google.com/books?id=rq_QiR ... &q&f=false
I found the connected article in magasin pittoresque:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k3 ... 135.langFR
... with the picture:
Re: Raoul de Presles 1375
2Kaplan puts this in his "Interpolations and Omissions" section, p. 32.
He is merely summarzing someone else's opinion (I can't recall who it is), so it sounds weak.
He is merely summarzing someone else's opinion (I can't recall who it is), so it sounds weak.
Re: Raoul de Presles 1375
3Hi, I think the description is wrong.
I think Raoul de Presle translated the City of God in the 1370's and that miniature was from a manuscript much later in the 1470's perhaps to celebrate 100 years of the translation.
If I remember correctly the games and vanities was under Luxury and Depravities??? in the 1470-ish manuscript.
There are also no cards on the table.
~Lorredan
I think Raoul de Presle translated the City of God in the 1370's and that miniature was from a manuscript much later in the 1470's perhaps to celebrate 100 years of the translation.
If I remember correctly the games and vanities was under Luxury and Depravities??? in the 1470-ish manuscript.
There are also no cards on the table.
~Lorredan
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Re: Raoul de Presles 1375
4I think this is from the same manuscript....1475
http://collecties.meermanno.nl/handschr ... u?id=11505
~Lorredan
http://collecties.meermanno.nl/handschr ... u?id=11505
~Lorredan
The Universe is full of magical things patiently waiting for our wits to grow sharper.
Eden Phillpotts
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Re: Raoul de Presles 1375
5Found by Ross in this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=11&p=10378&sid=43e0b7a4 ... 6ad#p10378
... with more references
viewtopic.php?f=11&p=10378&sid=43e0b7a4 ... 6ad#p10378
... with more references
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